[VHFcontesting] [VHF] Re: Quick To the Mystery Machine! [The Case of the Phantom Pre-Amp]

[Les Rayburn]

Zack,

Sorry, I forgot to mention. I'm a newcomer to VHF/UHF...and a filmmaker by 
profession. Can you put that into English and run it by me again? "Noise 
matched"? Matched to what exactly?

Signed,

Slow in Alabama (but not compared to the locals!)




Les Rayburn, director
High Noon Film
100 Centerview Drive Suite 111
Birmingham, AL 35216-3748
205.824.8930
205.824.8960 fax
205.253.4867 cell

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From: "Zack Widup" <w9sz at prairienet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:14 PM
To: "Les Rayburn" <les at highnoonfilm.com>
Cc: "VHF Contesting Reflector" <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>; 
<vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu>
Subject: [VHF] Re: [VHFcontesting] Quick To the Mystery Machine! [The Case 
of  the Phantom Pre-Amp]

> I'm guessing that the devices which performed well were actually 
> noise-matched and the others weren't; perhaps they were just tuned for 
> maximum gain? Many component manufacturers supply the gamma (optimum) for 
> best noise match for the device, which is not the same as the maximum 
> gain/power out match.
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Les Rayburn wrote:
>
>> Pardon me if I mix my metaphors but, "Riddle me this, boy wonder"....
>>
>> Months ago, when I started on this mis-adventure, I purchased an Icom 
>> IC-910H, along with the Icom mast mount pre-amps. Now, I can hear some of 
>> you moaning in despair already in the background, but we all have to make 
>> mistakes in order to learn from them. The decision to purchase the Icom 
>> pre-amps was based mainly on ease of use.
>>
>> After a few dozen QSO's, it became obvious that engaging the pre-amp 
>> button on the rig served mostly to raise the S-Meter reading on the rig 
>> by bringing up the local noise floor, but did little to improve the all 
>> important signal-to-noise ratio. I sought all manner of advice on an 
>> upgrade, and received a variety of opinions. Most of them reminded me 
>> over and over that simply moving to another neighborhood that would allow 
>> for a nice tower would eliminate the need for pre-amps all together.
>>
>> Sometimes, I do wonder if any of you gentleman are:
>>
>> A.) Married (and young enough to worry about your future bedroom 
>> activities)
>> B.) Have checked the housing market in the past few months
>>
>> But I digress. Ignoring the advice to commit both marital and financial 
>> suicide, I opted instead to accept an offer to borrow a trinity of 
>> pre-amps in the form of the Advanced Receiver Research MSPXXXVDG-160 
>> series. These are mast mounted GaAsFET preamps rated at 160 watts. They 
>> had belonged to a rather serious DX'er who had long since upgraded to 
>> some exotic tuned cavity, radio astronomy model not suitable for mere 
>> mortals. They had been sitting in his collection of VHF parts for about 
>> two years.
>>
>> Alas, I discovered that they also appeared to have been damaged at some 
>> point...since only one of the three was working. I returned them to AAR, 
>> where they quickly repaired them, and at my request, bench tested all 
>> three to insure performance. With great joy, I installed all three---and 
>> quickly went about trying to conquer the known world with my indoor 
>> antenna farm.
>>
>> I quickly discovered that these amps, while an improvement over the Icom 
>> amps, still mainly brought up the noise floor and increased S-Meter 
>> readings, without a noticeable improvement in signal to noise.
>>
>> Disappointed, I turned my attention to trying to get a Beko 300watt 432 
>> amp that I had also been loaned working properly on 220 volts. I was 
>> advised to contact Jerry at SSB Electronics for help. I did and proceeded 
>> to take up about two hours of his time for an amp that he hadn't sold, 
>> and had no obligation to support. ( Now that's what I call customer 
>> service)
>>
>> Out of guilt, mixed with desperation, I also ordered an SSB Electronics 
>> SP-7000 mast mounted pre-amp for the 432 band. Truthfully, I expected 
>> nothing except to sleep better at night haven not taken advantage of a 
>> small-businessman. When I replaced the ARR pre-amp with the SSB 
>> Electronics amp, I made an amazing discovery. When activated (I'm 
>> powering it via the feedline from the IC-910H) the S-Meter barely moved 
>> at all. At first, I thought it must be defective.
>>
>> A few hours later brought a weak CQ on the calling frequency of 
>> 432.100---I switched on the pre-amp, and the signal noticeably improved. 
>> I was easily able to make out the call sign and grid square...but the 
>> noise hardly changed. A couple of weeks later, I verified this over and 
>> over again during the ARRL UHF Contest. The most hopeful event was that I 
>> could also copy a lot of stations who couldn't hear me, even in CW. (Once 
>> I get the Beko Amp going, hopefully that will change)
>>
>> For those of you would be Nancy-Drews out there still reading along, this 
>> brings us to the mystery.
>>
>> 1. All three devices use similar (if not identical) active devices 
>> (GaAsFET). Upon internal inspection, construction also seems similar. Why 
>> the marked differences in performance?
>>
>> 2. I've read some articles that say the impedance match to the antenna 
>> can dramatically affect the S/N ratio, but none of the amps came with 
>> instructions for how to adjust for this. Is this commonly done?
>>
>> 3. Before I rush out to buy two more SSB Electronics amps (2M and 222), 
>> is there anything I can do to the ARR units to improve their performance?
>>
>> For those who wonder why this is such a concern for me, I've also 
>> discovered that a db or two difference in performance can make or break 2 
>> Meter meteor scatter contacts...and my system, due to it's indoor 
>> location suffers a bit of deafness. Most MS operators say that good, low 
>> noise pre-amps can make a lot of difference on these bands. In hindsight, 
>> I should have ordered the SP-2000 to start with....
>>
>> As always, gang, it's free Scooby Snacks to those who help get to the 
>> bottom of this one. Darn those meddling kids!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> EM63nf
>>
>>
>> Les Rayburn, director
>> High Noon Film
>> 100 Centerview Drive Suite 111
>> Birmingham, AL 35216-3748
>> 205.824.8930
>> 205.824.8960 fax
>> 205.253.4867 cell
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