[VHFcontesting] QST_ June contest write up

Thu Nov 20 14:51:11 EST 2008

Well one point is-a station followed the rules and won.  However, there are plenty of stations on here who have indicated that they didn't like it that that station one-they didn't like the strategy they used, etc.  So there is some finger pointing-that station KA1XYZ didn't do it right in winning.  If they won and followed the rules, congratulate them, not indicate that their win is tarnished because they used a different strategy than you did.

73s John AA5JG

--- On Thu, 11/20/08, k4gun at comcast.net <k4gun at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: k4gun at comcast.net <k4gun at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] QST_ June contest write up
> To: aa5jg at yahoo.com
> Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com, "Gerry Hull" <gerry at w1ve.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1:47 PM
> Wait a second!  That's not the case.  Not at all. 
> There are some of us who would like to see further changes
> and have made respectful and cogent arguments as to why we
> feel that way.  There's no bickering and finger
> pointing.  Its an honest effort to improve the contest that
> we all seem to rather enjoy.  Why is that such a problem? 
> 
> 
> 
> Steve 
> 
> K4GUN/R 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg at yahoo.com> 
> To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com, "Gerry Hull"
> <gerry at w1ve.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:26:11 PM GMT -05:00
> US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] QST_ June contest write up 
> 
> I couldn't agree more.  The way I see it, the
> complainers should have 2 main options: 
> 
> 1. Make up their own contest and set the rules however they
> want them. 
> 2. Get on the VUAC committee themselves and then change the
> rules. 
> 
> It seems that most of the complaining comes of the sort:
>  "KA1XYZ won the contest and I should have
> instead." 
> 
> 73s John AA5JG 
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/20/08, Gerry Hull <gerry at w1ve.com>
> wrote: 
> 
> > From: Gerry Hull <gerry at w1ve.com> 
> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] QST_ June contest write
> up 
> > To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com 
> > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1:17 PM 
> > <flack jacket on> 
> > 
> > I've participated in all the major VHF non-winter 
> > contests for almost 30 
> > years now.  Before grid squares.  After grid
> squares. 
> > Before the new rover 
> > rules.  After the new rover rules. 
> > 
> > The theme among complainers about winners is
> "those 
> > winners must be 
> > cheating". 
> > 
> > Well, no sir, time and time again it's been proven
> they 
> > have not been 
> > cheating.   No matter who it is, no matter what they
> are 
> > doing. 
> > 
> > "Well, they push the rules to the LIMIT" 
> > 
> > Isn't this a COMPETITION? 
> > 
> > "They do the same, mundane stuff every
> year." 
> > 
> > "They do it on high microwaves"   (Um, more
> 
> > points-per-Q?) 
> > 
> > "They do it with custom gear and
> frequencies" 
> > 
> > "They only work their buddies!" 
> > 
> > "They buy all their gear -- they are buying the 
> > contest!" 
> > 
> > ALL within the rules. 
> > 
> > If you look at the rules over the past 30 years, once 
> > enough people 
> > bellyache about the same winners, and their is enough 
> > political pressure, 
> > the rules get changed...    And, those same top
> operators 
> > and competitors 
> > adapt    And they win under the new rules. 
> > 
> > The League and the CAC has done a great job in
> adapting the 
> > rules to make 
> > VHF contesting interesting for everybody. 
> > 
> > If you're in the game to only WIN, you going to 
> > disappoint yourself a good 
> > portion of the time.   I've luckily participated
> with a 
> > group who 
> > have won quite a few times -- but also have had our
> butts 
> > whipped by 
> > others.    As the rules change, adoptions are made. 
> > 
> > I don't rove.  I know a lot of people that do.
>  I come 
> > from an unlimited 
> > multiop perspective. 
> > 
> > Ask K8GP if building and testing all the gear, driving
> a 
> > long way, setting 
> > up and operating in sometimes very harsh conditions is
> 
> > always fun?  I bet 
> > they think so -- maybe not always -- but they come
> back 
> > (almost) every 
> > year.  They are skilled operators with great tactical
> 
> > strategy and do very 
> > well. 
> > 
> > Ask my friends as W2SZ if maintaining gear over 30
> years or 
> > putting up 10+ 
> > guyed towers on a mountain top (sometimes in very bad 
> > weather) twice a year 
> > or driving 1000s of non-contest miles scouting
> excellent 
> > locations for DX 
> > uWave, or rounding up enough people to
> "make" it 
> > happen.   At times, it's 
> > REALLY HARD.  Doing something difficult, and working
> as a 
> > team, pays off. 
> > Even when we loose, 
> > we are motivated to keep going.     If the rules
> change, we 
> > adopt. 
> > 
> > Ask K1WHS and his team why he keeps plugging at it
> (and 
> > catching us all 
> > FAST!).  Dave's built an incredible station over
> the 
> > years -- and it's not 
> > always about winning. 
> > 
> > If some rovers have a strategy of only working their 
> > friends -- perhaps it's 
> > because their friends have a winning strategy.  
>  Rather 
> > than complaining 
> > and spreading innuendo in a public forum -- why not
> embrace 
> > them and find 
> > out how you might participate in that winning strategy
> 
> > also.    You can 
> > learn much from winners.   If you perceive a real
> issue 
> > with the rules, 
> > contact your CAC member -- don't knock someone who
> has 
> > used a strategy which 
> > maximizes score based on the fules. 
> > 
> > </flack jacket on> 
> > 
> > I AM in favor of public logs, as I believe that MANY
> can 
> > learn from the 
> > techniques of others.   I doubt you'll find any 
> > cheaters in public logs. 
> > 
> > These are my opinions and not necessarily those of my
> VHF 
> > Contesting buddies 
> > at W2SZ FN32jp 
> > 
> > 73, Gerry W1VE 
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