[VHFcontesting] VHFcontesting Digest, Vol 76, Issue 7

Steve Piotrowski stevepio at yahoo.com
Sat Apr 11 04:59:19 PDT 2009


An interesting question came up about 2 op limited rovers in the contests.

I know the rules say you can have a driver.....

but what about switching ops? 

I'm in the situation where I will likely be alone on saturday but have a partner sunday. Can I get a different partner for saturday to fill in? The log submission will be under my call and I will work both days.




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> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:16 AM
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>    1. WA4ZKO - 144 Mhz Spring Sprint wrap up/soapbox (Jeff
> Thomas)
>    2. Re: WA4ZKO - 144 Mhz Spring Sprint wrap up/soapbox
> (Dan Evans)
>    3. Re: WA4ZKO - 144 Mhz Spring Sprint wrap up/soapbox
> (Jeff Thomas)
>    4. Hams on Twitter? (Jeff Thomas)
>    5. DM02, 100W 6m useful? (Richard Hill)
>    6. Re: DM02, 100W 6m useful? (George Fremin III)
>    7. Re: Hams on Twitter? (Jaime Barcelo)
>    8. Re: Fwiw: Cabrillo Band Designations (Walter - K5EST)
>    9. Re: Fwiw: Cabrillo Band Designations (John Kemker)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:45:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jeff Thomas <wa4zko at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] WA4ZKO - 144 Mhz Spring Sprint
> wrap
> 	up/soapbox
> To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Message-ID:
> <120757.33208.qm at web57207.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> 12 Q's, 9 grids, 6 states, total score 108. 
> 
> I did better this time around than last year, but neither
> is anything to get excited about. The band seemed to be
> fairly flat, maybe up some to the east and northwest. 
> 
> Worked KA1ZE/3 Stan from Tolland,CT up at his contest site
> in Pennsylvania (FN01xx) about 420 miles out. This was my
> farthest contact of the evening.
> 
> W9GA Ken in Wisconsin (EN53WE) about 361 miles out.
> 
> K4QI with a nice signal from North Carolina, FM06 about 350
> miles out.
> 
> W8ZN Terry way over in Virgina, FM19bb about 370 miles out.
> 
> The continued "silence to the south" is starting
> to worry me. What has happened to the Tennessee stations?
> Admittedly I did more "hunt & pounce" this
> time around, so maybe they were doing the same and we just
> missed each other. I did spend a lot of time listening to
> the south and called during a few spells. There used to be
> several folks routinely active in Tennessee. 
> 
> The trend of no one on around Lexington and Louisville
> continues. I think I was the only station on in Kentucky! If
> others are on the air contesting, I sure didn't hear
> them! Kind of glad I didn't make the Black Mountain run
> for this one due to weather concerns. With the "silence
> of the south" continuing, probably best that I stayed
> in Northern Kentucky.
> 
> It's hard to say for sure if the apparent trend of
> lower activity is something to worry about. When the solar
> cycle is low and 6m is only hopping during "easy
> season" I tend to think a lot of the VHF/UHF weak
> signal folks pursue other interests and forget about the
> VHF/UHF activities. Seems like I remember this trend from
> the 1990's, but it is worrisome. Today the hobby is also
> competing against a never ending deluge of new tech/internet
> "fads" for folks time/interest. 
> 
> 
> 73
> Jeff
> WA4ZKO
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:41:44 -0400
> From: Dan Evans <dan.evans at insightbb.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] WA4ZKO - 144 Mhz Spring Sprint
> wrap
> 	up/soapbox
> To: wa4zko at yahoo.com
> Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <49DFD938.9040201 at insightbb.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> Well, my friend, you doubled my score!  Which is fitting
> since you 
> likely have at least twice the station as I have, hi hi.
> 
> Yes, activity is pretty low in our area.  Whatever happened
> to N4GN 
> around Louisville?  Haven't heard him in a few years. 
> 
> Also didn't hear K4TO, or N4QWZ.  Usually work both of
> them in every 
> contest.
> 
> Anyway, this was the motivation for kicking off the  IN/KY
> 2m SSB net, 
> which is going very well.  Hopefully this well get some new
> folks 
> motivated to stay with weak signal operating.
> 
> 73
> Dan
> -- 
> Amateur Radio Emergency Service, Clark County Indiana.
> EM78el
> K9ZF /R no budget Rover ***QRP-l #1269 Check out the Rover
> Resource Page at:
> <http://www.qsl.net/n9rla> List Administrator for:
> InHam+grid-loc+ham-books
> Ask me how to join the Indiana Ham Mailing list! 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff Thomas wrote:
> > 12 Q's, 9 grids, 6 states, total score 108. 
> >
> > I did better this time around than last year, but
> neither is anything to get excited about. The band seemed to
> be fairly flat, maybe up some to the east and northwest. 
> >
> > Worked KA1ZE/3 Stan from Tolland,CT up at his contest
> site in Pennsylvania (FN01xx) about 420 miles out. This was
> my farthest contact of the evening.
> >
> > W9GA Ken in Wisconsin (EN53WE) about 361 miles out.
> >
> > K4QI with a nice signal from North Carolina, FM06
> about 350 miles out.
> >
> > W8ZN Terry way over in Virgina, FM19bb about 370 miles
> out.
> >
> > The continued "silence to the south" is
> starting to worry me. What has happened to the Tennessee
> stations? Admittedly I did more "hunt &
> pounce" this time around, so maybe they were doing the
> same and we just missed each other. I did spend a lot of
> time listening to the south and called during a few spells.
> There used to be several folks routinely active in
> Tennessee. 
> >
> > The trend of no one on around Lexington and Louisville
> continues. I think I was the only station on in Kentucky! If
> others are on the air contesting, I sure didn't hear
> them! Kind of glad I didn't make the Black Mountain run
> for this one due to weather concerns. With the "silence
> of the south" continuing, probably best that I stayed
> in Northern Kentucky.
> >
> > It's hard to say for sure if the apparent trend of
> lower activity is something to worry about. When the solar
> cycle is low and 6m is only hopping during "easy
> season" I tend to think a lot of the VHF/UHF weak
> signal folks pursue other interests and forget about the
> VHF/UHF activities. Seems like I remember this trend from
> the 1990's, but it is worrisome. Today the hobby is also
> competing against a never ending deluge of new tech/internet
> "fads" for folks time/interest. 
> >
> >
> > 73
> > Jeff
> > WA4ZKO
> >
> >
> >
> >       
> > _______________________________________________
> > VHFcontesting mailing list
> > VHFcontesting at contesting.com
> >
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/vhfcontesting
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jeff Thomas <wa4zko at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] WA4ZKO - 144 Mhz Spring Sprint
> wrap
> 	up/soapbox
> To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Message-ID:
> <402611.30658.qm at web57206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> Dan,
> 
> You know it's bad when you can win your own
> "state" by just making ONE  contact, grin! The
> sprints have never been super hot beds of activity, but wow
> activity has clearly been in decline around here for the
> last couple years.
> 
> Looking through this, so far I think I'm the only KY
> station (4-lander calls at least):
> http://groups.google.com/group/springsprints/web/144-mhz-logs-received
> 
> Here's who I worked:
> W9JDT             EM79 
> KA1ZE/3           FN01 
> WZ8D              EM89 
> K9ZF              EM78 
> K9EA              EN71 
> W9GA              EN53 
> KB8DDZ            EM79 
> K4QI              FM06 
> KF8PO             EM79 
> W8ZN              FM19 
> K9LQZ             EM68 
> W8ULC             EM79
> 
> K9LQZ struck me as a new one. KF8PO said he was new to the
> scene, good deal there. So I guess there's hope to the
> north. Seems to be more activity from the west up to NW.
> Chicago and Southern Wisconsin area seems to be a lot more
> active than it used to be...which is great! Ohio used to be
> a ton of activity, but was pretty thin Monday night.
> Didn't even work old faithful K8TQK.
> 
> I don't know what's happened to K4TO, he used to be
> super active. N4QWZ and N4GN are some of the other
> "MIA" ones that I was talking about. N4GN used to
> be on a lot from down in l-ville. Used to be a good half
> dozen or more Southern KY and TN guys on. N8UM, KG4BMH,
> K1LH, just off the top of my head. I know there's a
> 6-meter net on 50.175 (Tuesday nights?) down on the south
> side of Louisville, haven't checked it lately to see if
> there's still much activity there. N4JOH (think
> that's the call) is another semi-local that I
> haven't heard for ages. Haven't hear a soul up on
> Roan Mtn (NC) in ages. Used to hear 2-3 rovers down in the
> NC/east TN area.
> 
> I bet some of those guys have tower/antenna damage. The
> Sept 2008 wind storm and the big ice storm back in February
> probably did a number on many stations down there. I gather
> the ice was really bad down in Western Kentucky and parts of
> TN. My beams were drooping pretty bad from the ice storm,
> but held up fine. I know Rod WG9F took some bad ice damage,
> his main mast was bent over 90 degrees. We didn't get
> the ice storm nearly as bad as the folks on further south.
> May explain some of it, but I think I noticed the decline
> last year.
> 
> When is the 2m net and freq? I'll have to try and check
> in, didn't know you were doing it. I'll put it on
> our local mailing list too. 
> 
> I've got a local that just moved and may get active
> again (AB4WS) once he gets a tower up. Loaned a 6m rig to a
> new ham local (KI4WEF) and trying to get him to jump in on
> the 6m contests/openings. I'm kinda trying to get the
> "locals" together informally on our little mailing
> list and motivate activity/interest as I can versus only
> fussing about it. Thus I can appreciate your efforts on the
> net. Little effort here, little there, talking things up,
> and thanking the rovers are good starts. I think the KYHAM
> list is back up and running, I might sign up and make sure
> to mention upcoming contests from time to time. 
> 
> Was the first of the spring/summer contests, maybe things
> will pick up as everyone gets back in the contest grove
> around here. Time will tell!
> 
> 
> 73
> Jeff
> WA4ZKO
> 
> Support Ham Radio in Kentucky, get involved, get on the
> air!
> http://twitter.com/wa4zko  (ham activity notes & etc)
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kyaprs/   KY APRS - (KY only)
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kypacket/   KY Packet Group.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hspacket/  High Speed Packet
> Group.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/425echo/   444.425+ EchoLink
> Group.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nkdxe/   NKDXE KY area
> VHF/UHF DX'ers.
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Dan Evans <x> wrote:
> 
> > From: Dan Evans <>
> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] WA4ZKO - 144 Mhz Spring
> Sprint wrap up/soapbox
> > To: 
> > Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:41 PM
> > Hi Jeff,
> > 
> > Well, my friend, you doubled my score!  Which is
> fitting
> > since you likely have at least twice the station as I
> have,
> > hi hi.
> > 
> > Yes, activity is pretty low in our area.  Whatever
> happened
> > to N4GN around Louisville?  Haven't heard him in a
> few
> > years. 
> > Also didn't hear K4TO, or N4QWZ.  Usually work
> both of
> > them in every contest.
> > 
> > Anyway, this was the motivation for kicking off the 
> IN/KY
> > 2m SSB net, which is going very well.  Hopefully this
> well
> > get some new folks motivated to stay with weak signal
> > operating.
> > 
> > 73
> > Dan
> > -- Amateur Radio Emergency Service, Clark County
> Indiana.
> > EM78el
> > K9ZF /R no budget Rover ***QRP-l #1269 Check out the
> Rover
> > Resource Page at:
> > <http://www.qsl.net/n9rla> List Administrator
> for:
> > InHam+grid-loc+ham-books
> > Ask me how to join the Indiana Ham Mailing list! 
> > 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jeff Thomas <wa4zko at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] Hams on Twitter?
> To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Message-ID:
> <987027.30561.qm at web57202.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> Just started tinkering with Twitter myself. Seems more
> usable for ham stuff than FaceBook or MySpace IMHO.
> Admittedly I'm just getting started with a lot of this
> stuff...of which I have varying opinions of (grin).
> 
> Guess we would have to be careful how we use it during some
> of the bigger contests. Figure most folks would probably
> want to do two profiles. one personal, then one for ham
> stuff to keep things manageable.
> 
> I have the following setup now, VHF/UHF Dx'ers feel
> free to add/follow:
> 
> http://twitter.com/wa4zko
> 
> The above will pretty much just have ham related
> posts/stuff on it for now.
> 
> Hey, since our beloved hobby seems to be competing against
> this "fad" stuff that has the "younger
> folks" so distracted...we might as well use it
> ourselves!
> 
> 
> 73
> Jeff
> WA4ZKO
> 
> Support Ham Radio in Kentucky, get involved, get on the
> air!
> http://twitter.com/wa4zko  (ham activity notes & etc)
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hspacket/  High Speed Packet
> Group.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/425echo/   444.425+ EchoLink
> Group.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nkdxe/   NKDXE KY area
> VHF/UHF DX'ers.
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:33:45 -0700
> From: Richard Hill <REHill at ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] DM02, 100W 6m useful?
> To: VHF Contestiong <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <49DFF379.2050208 at ix.netcom.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> I'm considering a trip to DM02 before and during the
> June VHF contest.  
> Would a 100 W effort be useful?
> 
> Rich
> NU6T
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:36:33 -0700
> From: George Fremin III <geoiii at kkn.net>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] DM02, 100W 6m useful?
> To: Richard Hill <REHill at ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: VHF Contestiong <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <20090411013633.GA2869 at kkn.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 06:33:45PM -0700, Richard Hill
> wrote:
> > I'm considering a trip to DM02 before and during
> the June VHF contest.  
> > Would a 100 W effort be useful?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Get a small yagi up 10' or more feet and you will do
> great.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> George Fremin III - K5TR
> geoiii at kkn.net
> http://www.kkn.net/~k5tr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:30:33 -0500
> From: Jaime Barcelo <jaybarcelo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Hams on Twitter?
> To: wa4zko at yahoo.com
> Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Message-ID:
> <7AA1B22A-9BFE-487C-A137-4B56E3762493 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
> 
> Hi Jeff
> 
> I use Twitter a lot, very useful for realtime latest news
> and contact  
> with friends.
> 
> Follow me on both accounts
> http://twitter.com/np3n
> http://twitter.com/jaybarcelo
> 
> Jay Barcelo NP3N
> www.np3n.com
> www.barcelo.us
> 
> 
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Jeff Thomas wrote:
> 
> >
> > Just started tinkering with Twitter myself. Seems more
> usable for  
> > ham stuff than FaceBook or MySpace IMHO. Admittedly
> I'm just getting  
> > started with a lot of this stuff...of which I have
> varying opinions  
> > of (grin).
> >
> > Guess we would have to be careful how we use it during
> some of the  
> > bigger contests. Figure most folks would probably want
> to do two  
> > profiles. one personal, then one for ham stuff to keep
> things  
> > manageable.
> >
> > I have the following setup now, VHF/UHF Dx'ers
> feel free to add/ 
> > follow:
> >
> > http://twitter.com/wa4zko
> >
> > The above will pretty much just have ham related
> posts/stuff on it  
> > for now.
> >
> > Hey, since our beloved hobby seems to be competing
> against this  
> > "fad" stuff that has the "younger
> folks" so distracted...we might as  
> > well use it ourselves!
> >
> >
> > 73
> > Jeff
> > WA4ZKO
> >
> > Support Ham Radio in Kentucky, get involved, get on
> the air!
> > http://twitter.com/wa4zko  (ham activity notes &
> etc)
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hspacket/  High Speed
> Packet Group.
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/425echo/   444.425+
> EchoLink Group.
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nkdxe/   NKDXE KY area
> VHF/UHF DX'ers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > VHFcontesting mailing list
> > VHFcontesting at contesting.com
> >
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/vhfcontesting
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:17:23 -0500
> From: Walter - K5EST <walter.k5est at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Fwiw: Cabrillo Band
> Designations
> To: w2ev at yahoo.com
> Cc: VHF Contesting eMail Remailer
> <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<49f9211e0904102017y143cd76x654187020141b47f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> ..
> ..............top reply................
> ..
> 
> Ev,
> 
> I am all for your efforts to unify us with a simple logger.
> Actually if you
> can put together an easy to use international format then
> maybe it
> could be a reporting standard. Boy, wouldn't that be
> fine....everyone
> on the same program and reports would all look alike. Sure
> would
> make log checking much easier.
> 
> Thanks for your efforts.
> 
> 73....Walter - K5EST - EM48mu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/8/09, Ev Tupis <w2ev at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Walter - K5EST
> <walter.k5est at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yup, I know the 4 meter band is not available for
> us to
> >> use.  That is why I was surprised that you were
> even thinking of
> >> putting it in the Cabrillo. To me it is sort of
> "who cares".
> >
> > Great thread, Walter!
> >
> > In fact, I'm thinking in terms of assembling a
> grass-roots effort to
> > supplement CQ's excellent 2-band international
> contest with other contests,
> > but based on km-DX rather than Grid4xQSOpoints.
> >
> > If a simple (read that s-i-m-p-l-e) to use logger can
> be made available to
> > unify our world a little...all the better.
> >
> > In a nutshell...I'm thinking
> "international", with W/VE issues
> > addressed...rather than W/VE specific and
> "cobbled" for the international
> > community.
> >
> > Ev, W2EV
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > VHFcontesting mailing list
> > VHFcontesting at contesting.com
> >
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/vhfcontesting
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:16:36 -0400
> From: John Kemker <john at kemker.org>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Fwiw: Cabrillo Band
> Designations
> To: Walter - K5EST <walter.k5est at gmail.com>
> Cc: VHF Contesting eMail Remailer
> <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <49E019A4.8080403 at kemker.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> I've got an idea:
> 
> Use XML.  Forget the ancient ones who will say that XML was
> considered 
> for Cabrillo but not used because it's harder to
> program for.  There are 
> SO many XML libraries out there that you'd be
> hard-pressed to NOT be 
> able to find one for your favorite development environment.
> 
> In addition, ADIF is just SO close to XML it makes one
> weep.  An XML 
> standard based upon the base ADIF tags, but regularized to
> be truly XML 
> compliant.
> 
> Yes, I'll work on the standards team.  I'll even
> contribute an initial 
> specification for consideration.
> 
> Advantages:
> * Well-understood, standardized syntax
> * Well-supported in a wide variety of programming
> languages/environments.
> * When properly defined, easily understood by humans
> * Supported by Firefox, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Safari
> web 
> browsers, among others
> * Extensible, allowing developers and contest committees to
> customize 
> within a standardized framework
> * Contest committees can issue an XML template that
> describes the 
> logging rules and an application might simply read in the
> XML then use 
> that to present the logging form.
> 
> Disadvantages:
> * Size.  XML-based contest logs will take up more space
> than Cabrillo.
> * Library overhead.  Cabrillo doesn't require libraries
> to write logs.  
> You could write an MS-BASIC or COBOL program with no
> special libraries 
> to log using Cabrillo.  (Hmm.  I just got a copy of
> OpenCOBOL and have 
> been wanting to teach myself COBOL.  I think I just figured
> out my 
> project to do so...)
> * Installed User Base.  Cabrillo is already widely used.
> 
> Walter - K5EST wrote:
> > ..
> > ..............top reply................
> > ..
> >
> > Ev,
> >
> > I am all for your efforts to unify us with a simple
> logger. Actually if you
> > can put together an easy to use international format
> then maybe it
> > could be a reporting standard. Boy, wouldn't that
> be fine....everyone
> > on the same program and reports would all look alike.
> Sure would
> > make log checking much easier.
> >
> > Thanks for your efforts.
> >
> > 73....Walter - K5EST - EM48mu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/8/09, Ev Tupis <w2ev at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Walter - K5EST
> <walter.k5est at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Yup, I know the 4 meter band is not available
> for us to
> >>> use.  That is why I was surprised that you
> were even thinking of
> >>> putting it in the Cabrillo. To me it is sort
> of "who cares".
> >>>       
> >> Great thread, Walter!
> >>
> >> In fact, I'm thinking in terms of assembling a
> grass-roots effort to
> >> supplement CQ's excellent 2-band international
> contest with other contests,
> >> but based on km-DX rather than Grid4xQSOpoints.
> >>
> >> If a simple (read that s-i-m-p-l-e) to use logger
> can be made available to
> >> unify our world a little...all the better.
> >>
> >> In a nutshell...I'm thinking
> "international", with W/VE issues
> >> addressed...rather than W/VE specific and
> "cobbled" for the international
> >> community.
> >>
> >> Ev, W2EV
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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