Dan - You wrote "I was just going to comment how much I liked Jim's post, when Duffey jumps in with what should be "The 10 Commandments of Roving"! OK, so we need to add a few more, but we're close:-)" If you want 10, a good one to add is "Be loud on two" - Duffey -- KK6MC James Duffey Cedar Crest NM