[VHFcontesting] VUAC Survey input/ debate

Thu Feb 11 13:40:01 PST 2010

well its more the lack of enforcement in the analogy. 

Why set a limit you can't or wont enforce?

 Contests are not really contests without enforcement of rules and judges. The competive spirit of the adverage american often times involves cutting corners.....or lack of regulations...

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:29:44 +0000
From: kg7hf at comcast.net
To: k3uhf at hotmail.com
CC: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Subject: Re: VUAC Survey input/ debate

That makes sense, the only thing is that the station would be penalized for a situation completely out of his/her control as they can't prevent others from spotting them if they so choose to do so.

I'm not sure the analogy of the road race fits though.   The individual contestants of the road race can control their own speed.   

Paul

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From: "frank bechdoldt" <k3uhf at hotmail.com>
To: kg7hf at comcast.net
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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:46:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: VUAC Survey input/ debate

well a purest would say yes. What you did by spotting someone as a "SWL" or "VSWL" (hi hi) is assist the station.  This station gets assistance by your post when he works other "VSWLs" who follow your post and complete a QSO with him.  

A winning station would simply need to have a friendly "VSWL" post spots for him to aid his score.  I imagine if you compared the last contest logs to he spots made by "VSWLs" you would see a correlation of QSOS to spots made by non contestants.  

The true mechanics at play here is that only a few can really compete in this contest. The rest of the people on the air are using any means necessary to complete a QSO to gather initials. The attempt to make a divide in the rules has only exasperated the problem they are trying to fix. Unless those web pages shut down for the contest or are policed by the ARRL by proxy spotting will continue to happen and no one will know the true motivation of by proxy spotters. 

This is not a judgement of what is right or wrong its an evaluation of the circumstances. It would be like having a road race from NY to LA and saying no speeding but you don't or can't put any cops on the road.

Frank

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:12:36 +0000
From: kg7hf at comcast.net
To: k3uhf at hotmail.com
CC: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VUAC Survey input/ debate

Hi,

I'm confused.  If I'm working the contest as "unassisted" and someone else chooses to spot me without me asking them or otherwise interacting with them, I suddenly become classified as "assisted"?

I don't have much for a station, in many cases I can hear a big gun station but they can't hear me.  I usually spot them so that others who are more fortunate can work them if they choose.  In this case, I am simply an swl who is reporting I hear a distant station.  Should that station then become assisted? 

Paul Decker (KG7HF)

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From: "frank bechdoldt" <k3uhf at hotmail.com>
To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:25:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [VHFcontesting] VUAC Survey input/ debate

I have reports of :

During the contest there were non contestants (formally assisted) spotting non assisted people on some of the web pages.  This was not to help the non assisted people, but to help the formally assisted people get more QSOS and contacts and ultimately QSL cards for working these individuals. In the last contest Non assisted qso numbers doubled while the number of registered participants dropped because of the loss of  an category.

The ARRL can not police the web pages.  Unassisted people benefit from the activity of others no matter how they communicate or spot  with each other.  The current rules has their head in the sand on this issue. The only fair way to do it is to acknowledge that all sorts of assistance exists and other than exchanging actual QSO information all classes are allowed to spot or be spotted.  That or police the web pages and all spotted call signs are registered and sent to the ARRL to ensure they are listed as assisted.  A major scandal like this happened one with a CQ HF contest where someone documented unassisted people were being spotted and the QSO times matched the spots. Why expose an ARRL contest to that?

k3uhf

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