[VHFcontesting] Let's make the contests do what they were supposed to do

Bob K0NR - email list list at k0nr.com
Sat Jan 3 21:21:19 EST 2015 

This is just more evidence that being a Rover is really a mental disorder.

Bob K0NR/r
Recovering Rover

On 1/3/2015 7:12 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Oh..That's a x2 'This Sux Multiplier' No ?  lol
> 73  (Been there)  Jee/p
>
> On 1/3/2015 5:50 PM, Zack Widup wrote:
>> In the 432 MHz Fall Sprint in 2012 my car got stuck in the mud. My
>> cell phone battery died with no way to charge it. No other radio than
>> my 432 CW/SSB transverter. So I had to walk six miles back to the city
>> at 11 pm. I found only one gas station open. He called a cab for me. I
>> had just enough $ for the cab. Fortunately the weather was decent. Got
>> home at 3 am completely worn out. Car and equipment stayed stuck in
>> the mud on the hill overnight. I recovered the car the next day.
>>
>> 73, Zack W9SZ
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/15, Jerry <jer.sieg at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> So lets see.. I get a group of Op's together.. 'Lets take a Drive to
>>> Montana for a Beer Run !
>>> Its $25 to $30 in VE for a dozen..but $10 to $12 in MT ! Operate
>>> during the trip South in the Contest, cover 3, 4, or 5 Grids, there and
>>> back..have to
>>> 'Pull Over occasionally for ??
>>> Use my Lap Top to Spot/Log our Q's !  This could be Fun !
>>> So.. Unlimited /R and /Multi-Op.. (pull over for someone.. now /P)
>>> Hey ! I think we may have just Won 'Unlimited Rover-Portable-Multi-Op'
>>> Category !
>>> Wait.. where did we park..?  What do you mean they 'Towed it Away' ?
>>> Anyone keep a 'paper log'..?  No..?  Well, this is gonna be a 'Long 
>>> Walk
>>> Home' ! ;-)
>>> Sorry..  had to say it.. (but I would try it though !)  73
>>> Jerry
>>> VE6CPP
>>> DN39or  (and 'could be many others too !)
>>>
>>> On 1/3/2015 11:29 AM, Bill Olson wrote:
>>>> i.e.: Get people on the air.,,,,
>>>>
>>>> I haven't heard a lot about this on this reflector or the other email
>>>> lists, BUT.....
>>>>
>>>> Isn't it really ridiculous to have  13 (or is it 14) entrance 
>>>> categories
>>>> for the VHF contests? With decreasing participation it's getting to be
>>>> that some of the categories only have only one (or NO) entries!!!
>>>>
>>>> Not to play the "old guy" card, but I will anyway (Hi Wayne!!) In 
>>>> the 50's
>>>> 60's when I started contesting there were only 2 categories, single 
>>>> op,
>>>> multiop. The participation was at an all time high then. now, 
>>>> what's the
>>>> deal?? everyone gets a trophy??? OR.. no one wants to get on the air
>>>> unless they are guaranteed to win??>
>>>>
>>>> All that being said, I will get on for the contests no matter what 
>>>> because
>>>> it's fun. I don't have any pretense of being able to WIN.. I just 
>>>> like to
>>>> be able to work the guys.. and operating when other stations are on 
>>>> the
>>>> air is FUN!
>>>>
>>>> back in the day we made an occasional phone call to get someone on the
>>>> air... We still made the actual contact "on the air".
>>>>
>>>> I totally embrace the rover category. I think if I had my way there 
>>>> would
>>>> be THREE entrant categories, SO, MO, Rover. but realize this brings 
>>>> up new
>>>> issues.. can we just start to get SANE about this? Does anyone really
>>>> think 13 or 14 entrance categories is good for VHF contesting???
>>>>
>>>> bill, K1DY (ex w3HQT)
>>>>
>>>> From: rick1ds at hotmail.com
>>>> To: k2txb at dxcc.com; packrats at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:33:10 -0500
>>>> CC: hwardsil at gmail.com; w1msw at arrl.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everyone is a bit confused at this point as to what these new 
>>>> categories
>>>> of "unlimited" or "assisted" stations can or cannot do. 
>>>> Additionally, if
>>>> this applies to MAP65 for EME, does this also create new categories 
>>>> for
>>>> the EME contest? Patience--hopefully we'll all find out when Ward 
>>>> andor
>>>> Matt make this clearer on the VHF reflectors and answer some 
>>>> questions we
>>>> have.
>>>>
>>>> From: k2txb at dxcc.com
>>>> To: rick1ds at hotmail.com; packrats at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: RE: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:54:11 -0500
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rick & all.  That paragraph is hard to understand in the context 
>>>> shown,
>>>> and even in context.  The context is that it applies to the Single
>>>> Operator Unlimited.  However when it says “not physically locat4ed 
>>>> at the
>>>> station is permitted”, that is very unclear at least to me. Does that
>>>> mean one could use cw skimmer if it is not located at the station, but
>>>> could not use it if it was located at the station?  Very poorly 
>>>> written
>>>> rule, I think. Also the exception, “spotting information obtained 
>>>> from any
>>>> source
>>>> outside the station boundary via a closed or dedicated communication
>>>> link may not be used.”.  So does that rule out the internet if 
>>>> connected
>>>> via a wire line?  How about if you are receiving internet via 
>>>> satellite…?
>>>> I suspect that that exception is trying to say that one cannot set 
>>>> up a
>>>> private link to a remote receiver and use that for spotting (or for 
>>>> other
>>>> contest purposes I would presume), but why not say that? Well, just 
>>>> my two
>>>> cents…  I don’t like assisted classes for contests anyway… 73, Russ 
>>>> K2TXB
>>>> From: Packrats [mailto:packrats-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Rick
>>>> R
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:56 PM
>>>> To: packrats reflector
>>>> Subject: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance" In the 
>>>> absence of
>>>> alternative rulings from HQ about what constitutes the
>>>> boundary between SO and SOU, I would use the following from the HF 
>>>> Rules
>>>> (http://www.arrl.org/general-rules-for-arrl-contests-below-30-mhz):
>>>>
>>>> *2.2.1.*Use of spotting assistance or nets (operating arrangements
>>>> involving other individuals, DX-alerting nets, packet, multi-channel
>>>> decoders such as CW Skimmer, etc) not physically located at the 
>>>> station
>>>> is permitted. (Exception: spotting information obtained from any 
>>>> source
>>>> outside the station boundary via a closed or dedicated communication
>>>> link may not be used.)
>>>>
>>>> Before anybody gets cranked up about HF rules in VHF+ contests, 
>>>> remember
>>>> that the original recommendation was only to create SOU in all ARRL HF
>>>> contests and it was the P&SC which extended it to VHF+ without any
>>>> additional discussion.  So the original recommendation was based on
>>>> 2.2.1 as above.  That definition needs to be broadened and made less
>>>> dependent on specific technology but it will suffice for now.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Ward N0AX
>>>>
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