[VHFcontesting] Let's make the contests do what they were supposed to do
Tim Marek via VHFcontesting
vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Mon Jan 5 15:26:42 EST 2015
Long ago I saw something on a race car trailer that applies today....
"Contained Here Inside Is Disease For Which There Is No Known Cure.... HORSEPOWER !!"
Change it to "CONTESTING" and it fully applies!
For me personally it all changed when the East Coast Clubs got together with the league IN PRIVATE and had the original ROVER Rules changes to better suit their needs, Not that of the Rovers....
VHF Contesting has been in a steady decline of activity ever since... The League Is Run By HF Contesters Who Dabble On VHF, Mainly Just on 50 MHz and 144 MHz. They Didn't Give A Damn About The Rest Of Us Then... And Certainly They Don't Give A Damn About Us Now....
There Is A Reason I Quit Roving, Activating Rare Grids, And Doing Mountaintop Contesting.... If The League Don't Care About The Health Of It's Own Event... Why Should I.... Over The Years I spent Thousands Of Dollars, Man Hours, and Road Miles To Be Competitive From Some Very Rare Places (DN00, DN10, DM17, DM18, DM19, DM27, DM28, DM29, Etc...) The Only Reason Those NV Grids Are Not Some Of The Rarest FFMA Places Is Due To The Work of NW7O, W7TVF, W7KK, Myself, And a few Others. I Chased The All Time ROVER Grid Total Of 20 Grids Activated In A Single Contest and after Years Of Coming Close (17, 19, 18, 18, 19...) I set a new Record of 21 by starting in the Hills Above Los Angeles (DM04) and ending atop a Bluff over looking Bend Oregon (CN94)
I Still Argue "Return to The Original ROVER Rules"... You Watch The Participation Skyrocket As People Get Back On To Chase Those Crazy ROVER's...
73s from N. TX de Tim - K7XC - EM12ur... sk Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler…Albert Einstein
From: Bob K0NR - email list <list at k0nr.com>
To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Let's make the contests do what they were supposed to do
This is just more evidence that being a Rover is really a mental disorder.
On 1/3/2015 7:12 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Oh..That's a x2 'This Sux Multiplier' No ? lol
> 73 (Been there) Jee/p
> On 1/3/2015 5:50 PM, Zack Widup wrote:
>> In the 432 MHz Fall Sprint in 2012 my car got stuck in the mud. My
>> cell phone battery died with no way to charge it. No other radio than
>> my 432 CW/SSB transverter. So I had to walk six miles back to the city
>> at 11 pm. I found only one gas station open. He called a cab for me. I
>> had just enough $ for the cab. Fortunately the weather was decent. Got
>> home at 3 am completely worn out. Car and equipment stayed stuck in
>> the mud on the hill overnight. I recovered the car the next day.
>> 73, Zack W9SZ
>> On 1/3/15, Jerry <jer.sieg at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> So lets see.. I get a group of Op's together.. 'Lets take a Drive to
>>> Montana for a Beer Run !
>>> Its $25 to $30 in VE for a dozen..but $10 to $12 in MT ! Operate
>>> during the trip South in the Contest, cover 3, 4, or 5 Grids, there and
>>> back..have to
>>> 'Pull Over occasionally for ??
>>> Use my Lap Top to Spot/Log our Q's ! This could be Fun !
>>> So.. Unlimited /R and /Multi-Op.. (pull over for someone.. now /P)
>>> Hey ! I think we may have just Won 'Unlimited Rover-Portable-Multi-Op'
>>> Category !
>>> Wait.. where did we park..? What do you mean they 'Towed it Away' ?
>>> Anyone keep a 'paper log'..? No..? Well, this is gonna be a 'Long
>>> Home' ! ;-)
>>> Sorry.. had to say it.. (but I would try it though !) 73
>>> DN39or (and 'could be many others too !)
>>> On 1/3/2015 11:29 AM, Bill Olson wrote:
>>>> i.e.: Get people on the air.,,,,
>>>> I haven't heard a lot about this on this reflector or the other email
>>>> lists, BUT.....
>>>> Isn't it really ridiculous to have 13 (or is it 14) entrance
>>>> for the VHF contests? With decreasing participation it's getting to be
>>>> that some of the categories only have only one (or NO) entries!!!
>>>> Not to play the "old guy" card, but I will anyway (Hi Wayne!!) In
>>>> the 50's
>>>> 60's when I started contesting there were only 2 categories, single
>>>> multiop. The participation was at an all time high then. now,
>>>> what's the
>>>> deal?? everyone gets a trophy??? OR.. no one wants to get on the air
>>>> unless they are guaranteed to win??>
>>>> All that being said, I will get on for the contests no matter what
>>>> it's fun. I don't have any pretense of being able to WIN.. I just
>>>> like to
>>>> be able to work the guys.. and operating when other stations are on
>>>> air is FUN!
>>>> back in the day we made an occasional phone call to get someone on the
>>>> air... We still made the actual contact "on the air".
>>>> I totally embrace the rover category. I think if I had my way there
>>>> be THREE entrant categories, SO, MO, Rover. but realize this brings
>>>> up new
>>>> issues.. can we just start to get SANE about this? Does anyone really
>>>> think 13 or 14 entrance categories is good for VHF contesting???
>>>> bill, K1DY (ex w3HQT)
>>>> From: rick1ds at hotmail.com
>>>> To: k2txb at dxcc.com; packrats at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:33:10 -0500
>>>> CC: hwardsil at gmail.com; w1msw at arrl.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
>>>> Everyone is a bit confused at this point as to what these new
>>>> of "unlimited" or "assisted" stations can or cannot do.
>>>> Additionally, if
>>>> this applies to MAP65 for EME, does this also create new categories
>>>> the EME contest? Patience--hopefully we'll all find out when Ward
>>>> Matt make this clearer on the VHF reflectors and answer some
>>>> questions we
>>>> From: k2txb at dxcc.com
>>>> To: rick1ds at hotmail.com; packrats at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: RE: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:54:11 -0500
>>>> Hi Rick & all. That paragraph is hard to understand in the context
>>>> and even in context. The context is that it applies to the Single
>>>> Operator Unlimited. However when it says “not physically locat4ed
>>>> at the
>>>> station is permitted”, that is very unclear at least to me. Does that
>>>> mean one could use cw skimmer if it is not located at the station, but
>>>> could not use it if it was located at the station? Very poorly
>>>> rule, I think. Also the exception, “spotting information obtained
>>>> from any
>>>> outside the station boundary via a closed or dedicated communication
>>>> link may not be used.”. So does that rule out the internet if
>>>> via a wire line? How about if you are receiving internet via
>>>> I suspect that that exception is trying to say that one cannot set
>>>> up a
>>>> private link to a remote receiver and use that for spotting (or for
>>>> contest purposes I would presume), but why not say that? Well, just
>>>> my two
>>>> cents… I don’t like assisted classes for contests anyway… 73, Russ
>>>> From: Packrats [mailto:packrats-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
>>>> Of Rick
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:56 PM
>>>> To: packrats reflector
>>>> Subject: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance" In the
>>>> absence of
>>>> alternative rulings from HQ about what constitutes the
>>>> boundary between SO and SOU, I would use the following from the HF
>>>> *2.2.1.*Use of spotting assistance or nets (operating arrangements
>>>> involving other individuals, DX-alerting nets, packet, multi-channel
>>>> decoders such as CW Skimmer, etc) not physically located at the
>>>> is permitted. (Exception: spotting information obtained from any
>>>> outside the station boundary via a closed or dedicated communication
>>>> link may not be used.)
>>>> Before anybody gets cranked up about HF rules in VHF+ contests,
>>>> that the original recommendation was only to create SOU in all ARRL HF
>>>> contests and it was the P&SC which extended it to VHF+ without any
>>>> additional discussion. So the original recommendation was based on
>>>> 2.2.1 as above. That definition needs to be broadened and made less
>>>> dependent on specific technology but it will suffice for now.
>>>> 73, Ward N0AX
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