[VHFcontesting] modes question, what do we log C4FM or DSTAR as?

[Huff David J]

OK, Apologies to Jim here, but restating his opinion below, this would mean logged as voice.  The argument I was getting from others was that C4FM and DSTAR modulation modes would double the count, one contact using FM simplex, and a second contact using DSTAR or C4FM simplex would be considered a different mode.

I disagreed with this idea, because modulation mode is not the decoder, the human ear is.  I asked because I think clarifying the ARRL field day rules might be a good thing here.  
Thank You,

Thanks,
David
W0IM

-----Original Message-----
From: VHFcontesting [mailto:vhfcontesting-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:08 PM
To: Jim Worsham <w4kxy at bellsouth.net>
Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] modes question, what do we log C4FM or DSTAR as?

Hi guys,

Here is the answer we used last year for D-Star inquiries where audio goes into a microphone and exits via a speaker:

*D-Star is like any other phone contacts.  But, D-Star contacts in Field Day MUST be Point to Point (aka  peer-to-peer) – NOT THROUGH INTERNET GATEWAYS  and NOT THROUGH REPEATERS (with exception of Satellite contacts).  All contacts must be via RF from station A to station B.*

Hope this helps.



73,



Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Contest Branch Manager

*ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™*

*225 Main St*

*Newington CT 06111*

860-594-0232

w9jj at arrl.org



On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Jim Worsham <w4kxy at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Call or email the ARRL Contest branch and ask them.  They and only 
> they can give definitive answers to ARRL sponsored contest questions.  
> Share what they say with the rest of us.  Asking questions like this 
> on here only invites speculation and misinformation.  By the way, FCC 
> regulations have nothing to do with the contest rules.  If the ARRL 
> wants to categorize digital voice as digital for the purposes of their contests they can.
>
> 73
> Jim, W4KXY
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 16, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Peter Laws <plaws0 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Huff David J 
> >> <HuffDavidJ at johndeere.com>
> wrote:
> >> I just came from our local club planning meeting for ARRL Field Day.
> We were discussing VHF/UHF modes like Fusion C4FM, DSTAR, and DMR. 
> When a ham speaks into the microphone and it comes out as C4FM, do we 
> log that in the logging program as digital or Voice?
> >
> > The FCC believes, in it's heart of hearts, that it's Phone 
> > regardless of the mode.  At least until Title 47 of the code of 
> > federal regulations is repealed.
> >
> > IIRC, ARRL Field Day rules don't get that specific, but I assume 
> > they follow part 97, so phone.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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