[VHFcontesting] Log Periodic ?

Thu Sep 14 13:42:10 EDT 2017

I remember seeing one at the NEVHF Conference a few years back. Gain was 
low at about 4- 5 dBd but at 900 MHz the main lobe started to have a 
double lobe out front. Not good and reduced the gain there.

Dave K1WHS

On 9/14/2017 5:06 PM, Bill Olson wrote:
> Good idea! Sort of hard to believe that hasn't been done before.. anyone have any data??
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> bill, K1DY
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> To: Bill Olson; VHF Contesting Reflector
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> Maybe someone can bring one to a Central States conference or another
> conference where antenna testing is done? Kent WA5VJB has always been
> accurate and impartial in his measurements.
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> 73, Zack W9SZ
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> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Bill Olson <callbill at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all, Create claims the gain of the 50-1300MHz LPDA is 10-12dBi (~8-10dBd). I don't see how those numbers could possibly be accurate given the element taper and the boom length etc.. Reports of performance compared to single band Yagis seem to bear that out. I'd guess the realistic gain is more like 3-4dB over a dipole. That's like a 2 or 3 element single band Yagi.. Now admittedly you'd need 2,3,4, 5 or 6 single band Yagis to do the job since the Log Periodic does cover 6 ham bands.. If you can tolerate mediocre performance (probably really poor performance on 903/1296) but need the simplicity of a single antenna I guess this would be an option, but I sure wouldn't go that way,. Heck, it looks like the thing costs $519 too, (from DX Engineering at any rate)!! Holy smokes! The way I see it, you're paying for having broad band performance which you aren't using.. It works as well at 88MHz as it does at 144! Great for a TV antenna but who needs that on the ham bands?!
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>> I GET the simplicity factor and agree that ANY antenna is better than no antenna, and I KNOW people are using these antennas and are happy with them, just saying my piece I guess..
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>> bill, K1DY in Maine
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>> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Log Periodic ?
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>> I think if you're close to a metropolitan area with a lot of people to
>> work who are close by, the log periodic is the way to go. Some of the
>> Rovers in the Chicago area I know use LPDA's. My favorite portable
>> location is about 100 miles from the closest stations I work. I have
>> found it's advantageous to use a separate, larger beam with more gain
>> for each band.
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>> 73, Zack W9SZ
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>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Patrick Thomas <p-thomas at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> Like all things in contesting, I think it depends on one's goals and circumstances.  Sure, an LPDA will not perform as well as long (maybe even mid-length) yagis.  But... it also will cost less, take up less space in the vehicle, take up less space/weight on the mast, take less time to set up (assuming you start from scratch), and will only require one run of heavy coax.  Plus obviously AN antenna will outperform NO antenna!  And as others have mentioned, you can use it for a backup "any band that failed" antenna in the future, if you later graduate to a higher-performing setup.
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>>> Cheap surplus coax switches of good quality show up fairly often on ebay that can handle frequencies up to 1-2 GHz at a couple hundred watts, switching between 6-10 connectors, and these are easily controlled by anything from an automated arduino to a pushbutton control panel, so I would not be turned off by the need for a switch.
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>>> Just my thoughts on the matter.  I considered building my own LPDA as there are many good calculators out there, but ended up with a large van for a rove vehicle, which will happily swallow many large antennas.  Now if it would just run reliably....
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>>> Patrick
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