[VHFcontesting] Difference between types of Rover?

Thu Apr 12 16:41:42 EDT 2018

Hi Duffey, yeah I get that. I guess I'd have a hard time NOT working a new multiplier though if it was "available".. Here in the boondocks it really doesn't even factor in, qso's being so few and far between... so that's why I never thought about it much..

bill

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From: JamesDuffey <jamesduffey at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:34 PM
To: Bill Olson
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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Difference between types of Rover?

Bill - The pack rovers operating in the Classic Rover class are using the 100 QSO limit to maximize multipliers and QSO points, meaning they focus on the higher microwave bands, not the number of QSOes, which sort of comes along for the ride. The scores are lower than without the QSO limit, but still high, and one can contribute the resulting score to the club competition. - Duffey KK6MC

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Apr 12, 2018, at 14:20, Bill Olson <callbill at hotmail.com<mailto:callbill at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hmmm,.. I could see a pack of 4 rover stations with 10 bands each activating just four grids (let's say it's one corner where 4 grids come together) would exceed the 100 rover qso quota from essentially ONE spot.. (each station makes 3 qso's x 4 grids x 10 bands = 120 rover q's). So, to me it seems like "pack rovers" (and I don't have a problem with it either - I actually was "accused" of being a "captive rover" in all that original "rover discussion") might NEED to enter as unlimited. That all said, if "pack rovers" (do we have a PC word for it now? hi hi) aren't entering as unlimited, what am I missing here? Possibly most are using far fewer bands...?

bill, k1DY

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Difference between types of Rover?

Sean - One person’s shenanigans are another person’s strategies and tactics. Pack roving in  VHF + contesting is one way to address very different levels of activity, mostly microwave,  across the USA. You can like it or not, but it is not a dishonest activity.

If the ARRL and others want pack roving eliminated, they should outlaw it outright. I understand that may be difficult to do without eliminating roving and its advantages entirely. It is clear that the present rules with the Unlimited Rover class don’t address the pack roving issue. Few if any pack rovers participate as Unlimited Rovers. - Duffey KK6MC

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 12:13, Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com<mailto:waisean at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Rick K1DS goes pretty well in depth into some of the shenanigans that the rover packs would get into in one of his videos on roving:
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> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbaETPvsxcdI%26t%3D2687s&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb2427aceb0ab442b7b5708d5a0a99464%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636591572596809075&sdata=6XYhikmdxc2es8FqUwb1QQLth7gF%2FHJxQfA09tpaQTo%3D&reserved=0
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> When you start to get a little into the history, you can see what specific events triggered the somewhat odd rules here or there. I appreciate that they created the Unlimited class to allow the rules-bending outside-the-box stuff to continue, while protecting the groups that don't want to play those games.
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> Sean WA1TE
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>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:45 PM JamesDuffey <jamesduffey at comcast.net<mailto:jamesduffey at comcast.net>> wrote:
>> Larissa - You asked:
>> “Now, I can see the difference between Limited and Unlimited Rover categories, but why
>> is there a separate category for Classic Rover? What are the differences?”
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>> The big difference between the Classic Rover class and the Unlimited Rover class is that the Classic Rover class is limited to 100 QSOes with other rovers; there is no such limitation in the Unlimited Rover class. The Unlimited Rover cannot contribute the score earned to a club score. In VHF contests, the club competition is big, so this is a significant difference. There are other differences, the Unlimited Rover can have an unlimited number of operators, the Classic Rover is limited to two operators and everything that the classic rover uses to make QSOes must be hauled by one vehicle while in the Unlimited Rover one doesn’t need to haul anything with the rover at all.
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>> The Unlimited Rover category was instituted to address what many saw as a problem to VHF contesting and roving, that is pack roving. To what an extent pack roving was (is?) a significant problem depends on many factors. I won’t go into that here, but you can get more than a flavor of it by perusing the archives of this list for the first 7 or 8 years of this century. Among other things it is an interesting view into psyche of VHF/UHF contesters. Whatever one’s stance on pack roving, the Unlimited Rover category has had few, if any, entries from pack rovers over the 10 years of its existence and in my opinion has failed to gain traction as a class. Not allowing Unlimited Rovers to contribute to a club score has kept the pack rovers in the Classic Rover class, and by judicious choice of QSOes with other rovers, large scores can still be generated by pack rovers in the Classic Rover class even with the 100 QSO limit. Hence there is no real incentive to go to the Unlimited Rover class.
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>> I have operated in all three classes and get the most satisfaction out of the Classic Rover class, but by operating Limited Rover I am more competitive nationally and the setup is quick. There is much less competition operating in the Unlimited Rover class, but I have found that winning that class in a division where there is only one other entry does little to sate my competitive appetite.
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>> I hope this answers your question. If not, ask again. - Duffey KK6MC
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>> James Duffey KK6MC
>> Cedar Crest NM
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