[VHFcontesting] Portable 50 MHz beam antennas

Fri Feb 16 13:16:39 EST 2018

While discussing portable 6 meter antennas, does anyone recall the 2
element Telrex (at least I think it was a Telrex). It was a conical
style, like a TV antenna, and all the elements were split. When
assembling, the solid rod elements would go into spring clips on the
ends of the boom. It took, literally less than 90 seconds to assemble.
One u bolt to a mast, and you are on the air. This was in the late
1960s. Sure like to find another one to see how it performed.  --Mike,
WV2ZOW

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 1:04 PM,  <barry at k7bwh.com> wrote:
> As a hilltopper in the Pacific NW, I’ve found that parking on a ridge where the ground slopes away steeply in a desired direction is magic for tropo.  I try to be within a wavelength of the edge. In fact, a good slope has had better results for me than altitude above sea level. Indeed, when I parked on an Oregon peak well above a strong temperature inversion layer then I made no distant contacts at all.
> I use a 5-el 6m beam at 20’ mounted to a trailer hitch.
> I expect that a backpacker doesn’t need much mast if he’s on a sharp peak or cliff.
>
> Barry K7BWH
>
>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 9:53 AM, David Olean <K1WHS at metrocast.net> wrote:
>>
>> More data....
>>
>> We ran a similar test using a rover station 4 element 50 MHz yagi at 12-14 ft vs a halo at 35 ft. This was a real test and not a quick exchange during a contest. The path was about 280 miles long and the halo was a definite winner over the low yagi for the rover station.  A home station was on the other end of the path.  The rover was W2GE/r with N2CEI and WB2ONA at the Packrat contest location in the Poconos in FN21. I was operating the home station in FN43 in Maine. Height above ground makes all the difference on 50 MHz.
>>
>> Dave K1WHS
>>
>>
>>> On 2/16/2018 5:07 PM, Bill Olson wrote:
>>> Hi all, This might be a good time to bring up "height above average terrain" for a 6 meter beam. I'll digress here a little then will get back to the point. I used to rove with the lower 6 bands. Antennas were all mounted on a rotor fixed to roof racks on my truck. There were ~ 8 ft yagis and loop Yagis on 2 thru 1296 BUT on 6 meters I had an old 4 element Yagi on a 12 foot boom. This got mounted right above the rotor so was maybe 7 feet off the ground. (Yeah the ~9-10ft long 6M elements hung over the sides of the vehicle a little - never was a problem with law enforcement hi). Everything worked great except 6M. It had reasonable SWR and I knew the Yagi worked because I had used it on the tower.. but signals were weak except when the band opened for e-skip.. Well that should have tipped me off right there but It wasn't until I had a talk with Pete, K9PW, who used to operate with the AA9D multi-multi VHF contest station in central Illinois. They had done some experiments with
>>>  their rovers and found that just a HALO antenna at 25 feet WAY out performed a multi-element Yagi at 10 feet.. Well duh, of course the Yagi's pattern in the vertical plane got more and more elevated off the horizon the closer it got to the ground and at 10 feet there was practically no response on the horizon. I haven't done any of the math BUT just experimenting with it, I arrived at about 20 feet for my rover 6M antenna. I built a 2 element beam on a four foot boom. This could easily ride on the roof racks  with the elements pointing fore and aft. I put together a 20 foot mast and that got stowed up there too.. So, yeah, no operating 6m while in motion, but with a trailer hitch sort of mount for the mast, it really only took a couple minutes to get the 6M beam in place.. Armstrong rotated for me, but here in Maine pretty much everyone is in the same direction and with abroad pattern it was pretty much set it and forget it.. The results were quite amazing and all of a sudde
>>>  n I worked stations on tropo at several hundred miles..
>>>
>>>
>>> To get back to the back-packer antennas, folding up the antenna and making it "packable" is one thing but then you need a 20 foot mast too and a way to keep it up in those high mountaintop winds!! The gain of the antenna is not doing you any good if it's peak is above the horizon and there is a null AT the horizon!
>>>
>>>
>>> just saying..
>>>
>>>
>>> bill, k1DY in Maine
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: VHFcontesting <vhfcontesting-bounces at contesting.com> on behalf of Mark Spencer <mark at alignedsolutions.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 4:22 PM
>>> To: Bob K0NR - email list
>>> Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Portable 50 MHz beam antennas
>>>
>>> Thanks All.  I got some great on and off list responses.
>>>
>>> Yes I believe the 40" length limit is a reasonable one.   (I have found carrying 48" mast sections via backpack to be a bit awkward for me.)
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Mark S
>>> VE7AFZ
>>>
>>> Aligned Solutions Co.
>>> mark at alignedsolutions.com
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>>>
>>>> On Feb 15, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Bob K0NR - email list <list at k0nr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Zack,
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested in the 144 MHz yagi design for backpack portable operating.
>>>> Its got to be compact and easy to assemble, otherwise it tends to get left at home.
>>>> For me, compact is nothing longer than 40 inches.
>>>> (I'm actually thinking SOTA more than VHF contesting but I sometimes combine the two.)
>>>>
>>>> 73, Bob K0NR
>>>>
>>>>> On 15-Feb-18 7:57 AM, Zack Widup wrote:
>>>>> I got a design from VE3BFM for a four-element 6m beam on a 13 foot boom.
>>>>> It's a great performer. Since I operate portable 95% of the time, I built a
>>>>> version I could quickly assemble and disassemble at a portable site. The
>>>>> boom and each element is in two pieces. I never formally wrote up an
>>>>> article about how to build it, but I did talk about it at the VHF forum at
>>>>> Dayton a couple years ago. Maybe I should write it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have similar portable Yagis for 144 through 432 MHz. I can assemble and
>>>>> disassemble them pretty quickly. My 144 MHz Yagi has six elements
>>>>> wide-spaced on a 12 foot boom. I believe the gain predicted by Yagi
>>>>> Optimizer is about 12 dBd. I haven't measured it yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Zack W9SZ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:23 AM, jon jones <n0jk at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another idea is to build your own portable 6 meter beam. I have found a 2
>>>>>> element yagi is easy to build, break down and re-assemble quickly. A 2
>>>>>> element yagi offers about 3 - 4 dB gain over a dipole. It is easier to put
>>>>>> up and take down than a 3 el.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use one for my VHF contest and portable operations. A picture of it is
>>>>>> in the NCJ March/April 2016 pp. 32. It works... have WAC with it on 6 with
>>>>>> 100 W from KS on ssb/cw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A plan for one is here:  http://www.qsl.net/k7yo/6m2Yagi.htm
>>> [http://www.qsl.net/k7yo/6m2yagi.jpg]<http://www.qsl.net/k7yo/6m2Yagi.htm>
>>>
>>> 6 meter 2 element yagi - QSL.net<http://www.qsl.net/k7yo/6m2Yagi.htm>
>>> www.qsl.net
>>> 6 meter, 2 element yagi. A simple, compact and effective antenna for 50 Mhz. This antenna was built in about an hour after using K6STI's AO simulation ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - Jon N0JK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I finally took delivery of a suitable LiPo battery to facilitate "back
>>>>>> pack portable" operation at the 50 to 100 watt level.   If any of my
>>>>>> Canadian colleagues are interested I can provide the contact details for a
>>>>>> Canadian distributor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this point I'm planning on simply taking my 50 MHz three element beam
>>>>>> apart and re assembling it on site.   In my view the beam I have isn't
>>>>>> really intended for that type of use and I'm curious if anyone knows of any
>>>>>> suppliers for small 50 MHz beams that break down and re assemble quickly
>>>>>> and easily.   Google searching on my part didn't turn up anything that is
>>>>>> currently in production.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm hoping to shift my focus a bit this year and actually reach the true
>>>>>> summit of at least one local mountain (vs simply driving most of the way up
>>>>>> via logging roads.)  Having this ability would also have been useful
>>>>>> earlier this year when I had to abort my CO81 visit during the sept
>>>>>> contest.   In hindsight I suspect I could have activated the grid for a few
>>>>>> hours on foot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark S
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aligned Solutions Co.
>>>>>> mark at alignedsolutions.com
>>>>>> 604 762 4099
>>>>>>
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