[VHFcontesting] [amsat-bb] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award

[K7XC Tim Marek]

Hi Gabe,

Please don't think I am am anti satellite,

I was active for years on AO-10 and AO-13 and the Russian LEO birds of 2up
and 10 down, etc.

What I am Against is an Award that allows credits from both in the same
award...

ASSISTED QSOs IE: Satellites, Repeaters, Etc
                          and
UNASSISTED QSOs IE: Tropo, Es, MS, EME, etc

Within the SAME AWARD!

It makes no sense to mix the two in one award as they are Apple and Oranges
IE: Not the same animal.

Weather I have made any recent Satellite contacts or not has no bearing on
my point!


73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh.. sk

Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!





On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:08 PM Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is an intriguing observation, considering satellite VUCC has been
> around for years. I don’t think I’ve ever heard you on one of our “repeater
> like” satellites?
>
> 73,
> Gabe
> AL6D/VE6NJH
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:55 AM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC
>> contacts already in LOTW
>> to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
>>
>> Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs
>> are
>> NOT allowed,
>> and that means NO Satellites!
>>
>> I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial
>> contacts to a Terrestrial award!
>>
>> If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on,
>> disrespecting everyone who in the
>> past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The
>> fact it was hard made the goal
>> worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No
>> Water. If you want something
>> bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
>>
>> I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and
>> encourage others to do as well.
>>
>> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
>>
>> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <les at highnoonfilm.com> wrote:
>>
>> > John,
>> >
>> > My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
>> idea
>> > is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming
>> > changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
>> >
>> > So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12
>> > hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports
>> > this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
>> about
>> > the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
>> >
>> > In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our
>> > representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
>> get
>> > him on the satellites more though!
>> >
>> > :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> > Maylene, AL
>> > EM63nf
>> > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB
>> > > <amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hello Les,
>> > >> That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
>> would
>> > >> certainly work towards that end.
>> > >> Dave
>> > >> N9HF
>> > >> el99
>> > >>
>> > >> "Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
>> > vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu <mailto:vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu>>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Lady & Gentlemen,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
>> anyone on
>> > >>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
>> > lost in
>> > >>> cyberspace.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
>> I’d
>> > like
>> > >>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
>> would
>> > >>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
>> > more of
>> > >>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special
>> > >>> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
>> the
>> > >>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
>> 1296,
>> > and
>> > >>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
>> of
>> > more
>> > >>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
>> > advances
>> > >>> the state of the radio art.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
>> > could
>> > >>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
>> grateful
>> > for
>> > >>> your service to the hobby.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 73,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> > >>> 121 Mayfair Park
>> > >>> Maylene, AL 35114
>> > >>> EM63nf
>> > >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
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