[VHFcontesting] [NEWSVHF] Logging between various software programs
David Olean
k1whs at metrocast.net
Mon Aug 7 21:39:56 EDT 2023
Hello Scott,
I had no idea that you could do that stuff with TQSL. Remapping the
modes looks like a great way to get things to run seamlessly. I have not
tried it yet, but I plan to do that. It looks like the adif spec covers
about everything. The problem is having the logging software use the
same names. It should not be that hard! SO thanks to all with some
suggestions and such. I learned a lot!!
73
Dave K1WHS
On 8/7/2023 6:53 PM, Scott Armstrong wrote:
> Dave,
>
> One of the confirmation matching criteria for LOTW is that the modes
> must be an exact match or match a mode group ( ex. DATA = FT4, FT8,
> Q65, etc)
> https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/key-concepts#confirmation
>
> Within TQSL, you can remap ADIF modes to something TQSL recognizes.
> You can also remap Cabrillo modes to something that is recognized.
> File Menu --> Display or Modify Preferences Then select ADIF Modes or
> Cabrillo Specs Tabs.
>
> I don't know where a printed document lives that specifies what mode
> and propagation types TQSL/LOTW recognizes . However you can go into TQSL
> File Menu --> Create a new ADIF file and look in the dropdown boxes
> for mode and propagation mode to see what is available and accepted
>
>
> Scott AA5AM
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 3:19 PM David Olean <k1whs at metrocast.net> wrote:
>
> So I sent in my 222 & Up log to LOTW. It was exported from N1MM as an
> adif file. I checked and got an immediate match with VA3IKE for
> his 49th
> grid on 432. Ike was very keen to get that contact logged in LOTW. It
> was a new state on 432 as well as grid #49. The MODE I saw on
> LOTW was
> SSB. We actually used Q65B-30 but I changed it to SSB. I am not sure
> what mode VA3IKE used. I also got a note from K1TEO, who claims
> to have
> also sent his log in. He had a match for only one contact with me on
> SSB. He had an FT8 contact with me on 432 and I called it SSB.
> Jeff had
> RY and there was no match. Strangely, I checked for K1TEO just now
> and
> came up with NO MATCH!! What a mess. Jeff gets a match for our 222
> contact but I do not.
>
> I wish I had paid attention to this stuff before. I just assumed that
> everything was fine with the world.
>
> I will pursue this further.
>
> Dave K1WHS
>
> On 8/7/2023 3:24 PM, Bob Bownes wrote:
> > Would it make sense to ask the ARRL to establish a 'standard'
> for this
> > sort of thing as we do for internet standards (IETF) or telecom
> (ITU),
> > even if it is a 'compliance is not mandatory' kind of thing?
> > Easy to see an extension to digital modes, codecs, etc.
> >
> > Bob, who has participated/written too many standards in his day
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM David Olean <k1whs at metrocast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have had all sorts of problems with logging software and
> contest
> > entry
> > software that processes logs. Maybe I missed it, but It is hard
> > to find
> > documentation that gets down and dirty to tell us what
> responses are
> > allowed in each block where data is entered. In this past
> contest I
> > used N1MM to log for the 222 and Up contest, and it allows
> certain
> > entries for MODE. My regular logging program is VQ-Log and
> it has
> > various modes allowed. When you make an ADIF file to submit to
> > the ARRL
> > LOTW, those choices may be incompatibile. The ADIF format
> allows only
> >
> > SSB
> > CW
> > RTTY
> > TOR=AMTOR
> > PKT
> > AM
> > FM
> > SSTV
> > ATV
> > PAC=PACTOR
> > CLO=CLOVER
> >
> > N1MM recognizes CW, USB, LSB, SSB, AM, FM,SSTV, RTTY, PSK31,
> PSK63,
> > PSK125, PSK250, DIGITAL, FT8 and FT4.
> >
> > Note that many of the modes allowed by N1MM are not listed
> in the
> > ADIF
> > specification. This means that any program with the wrong mode
> > might be
> > bounced out of the LOTW log and you are out of luck. The
> contact is
> > discarded.
> >
> > If you supply a Cabrillo file to the ARRL for your contest
> > submission,
> > the modes that are allowed are only
> >
> > CW
> > PH
> > FM
> > RY
> > DG
> >
> > It gets better. My daily logging software VQ-Log and is
> primarily
> > aimed
> > at VHF ops. There is a field for propagation type. If you
> read enough
> > you might find a comment telling you that the propagation
> mode is not
> > required in ADIF, but I found out the hard way that only
> certain
> > prop
> > modes are accepted by the ARRL adif files. TR means tropo
> but TRS in
> > VQ-LOg indicates tropo scatter which is a primary means that we
> > VHFers
> > communicate with. I hand copied almost all of my old paper
> logs and
> > entered the prop mode as TRS and only later found out that
> all of
> > those
> > submitted files went into the bit bucket in Newington. So I
> have
> > to go
> > back and modify all my entries from TRS to TR to make things
> work.
> > Really, my life is too short to have to deal with these glaring
> > software
> > compatability issues.
> >
> > Somewhere, I have an email that delineates all of the prop modes
> > recognized by ARRL LOTW and the adif input file. I wish it
> had been
> > published somewhere.
> >
> > So I submitted my 222 & Up file to LOTW. Please let me know
> if you do
> > not get a match. I ended up calling everything either CW or
> SSB.
> > There
> > was no real good choice for FT8 or MSK144, or Q65. You would
> think
> > that
> > maybe DIGI might be a good name for all of these VHF modes,
> but you
> > would be mistaken. Your choices are SSB or maybe RTTY.
> There must be
> > some patches between software to fix some of this, but it
> sure has
> > gotten me in trouble very often.
> >
> > grumble grumble!
> >
> > Dave K1WHS
> >
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