[WriteLog] Re: WriteLog Digest V3 #205
William Tigges
wtigges@innovative-eng.com
Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:19:53 -0700
WriteLog Digest wrote:
> WriteLog Digest Thursday, August 3 2000 Volume 03 : Number 205
>
> In this issue:
>
> [WriteLog] Networking with a TNC
> Re: [WriteLog] Networking with a TNC
> Re: [WriteLog] Rumble Log
> Re: [WriteLog] Rumble Log
> [WriteLog] WL RTTY window
> [WriteLog] WAE CW QTC, help
>
> See the end of the digest for information about 3830-digest
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: Networking via radio modem.
Black Box <www.blackbox.com> Has sereral modems that will
handle this nicely. Speed will be 1200 or 2400 baud max.
Commercial radio modems are available at a much higher baud rate from
companies such as "Data Link" and "California radio modems" which start
at 9600 baud.
Bill K7WT
> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:16:28 GMT
> From: "Roger P" <ve3zi@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [WriteLog] Networking with a TNC
>
> Please forgive me if this is a silly question!
>
> Is it possible to network two W98 PCs via a radio link using TNCs? I
> appreciate that the link would be REALLY slow, and I think that packet radio
> uses a form of TCP/IP, but perhaps the protocols are incompatible?
>
> I want to set up a remote transmitter (for cw only), and this would be a
> really nice way of doing it if practicable. The best solution from an
> operational point of view would be for the remote transmitter to just be
> another rig on Writelog, and even better for it to be slaved to a local rig,
> but it would be also OK for it to be a network station.
>
> Any other possibilities or thoughts?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Roger
> VE3ZI
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:11:23 -0400
> From: Brian McCarthy <rfacres@akorn.net>
> Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Networking with a TNC
>
> Hello Roger,
>
> Interesting line of thought.
>
> Roger P wrote:
>
> > Please forgive me if this is a silly question!
> >
> > Is it possible to network two W98 PCs via a radio link using TNCs? I
>
> Theoretically, yes. There are two options: 1) "Direct Cable Connection" under
> Start/Programs/Accessories/Communications; 2) To create a network adapter under
> Start/Settings/Control Panel/Networking and add an adapter type "Infrared com
> port or dongle"/"Generic infrared com port or dongle". The first option is not
> standard networking and may not be visible/reachable by Writelog. The second
> option will work, unless Win98 is looking for special protocal from the adapter
> that it thinks will be put on the com port. In the second option Writelog should
> be able to see the network after following the remainder of the setup
> instructions in the Writelog help text and manual. I have not actually tried
> this!
>
> > appreciate that the link would be REALLY slow, and I think that packet radio
>
> Painfully slow! It might be so slow that Win98 may think there is no connection.
> The best bet would be to use at least 9600 baud on a quiet channel (above 2m).
> That is the slowest speed that I have seen that functions for Dialup Networking
> with my company's remote access. Even at 9600 baud it is painfully slow (typical
> packet connection is half duplex, subtract overhead....real throughput
> ~2500-3500 baud.) The only possible functionality over that slow a link with
> Writlog would be to pass contacts for a multi radio/op situation. If you expect
> to work any significant number of stations (100+) on one machine versus the
> other, PRAY that your network connection never fails. Writelog "replicates"
> across the network each time the connection re-establishes. This takes only a
> few seconds at 10Mb, but at 9600 or less...OH MY!
>
> > uses a form of TCP/IP, but perhaps the protocols are incompatible?
>
> Packet uses AX.25, which is similar but not exactly like tcp/ip. For the lowest
> amount of overhead, setup the TNC's manually before establishing the link and
> set the mode to "transparent". You might also want to set the TNC to only allow
> connections from the other TNC. Check your TNC manual on how. If you are
> thinking of using older TNC-1 or TNC-2 technology, check and/or set the maximum
> packet length. The maximum packet length that could be sent through a "Tiny-2"
> was/is 256 bytes. If a packet longer than this length is recieved, the TNC will
> lockup, freeze or simply reboot causing the connection to fail. Maximum packet
> length is something that you can set on the TNC. Some TNC's had the ability to
> do auto-reconnect, or even auto-connect on powerup. Check the manual.
>
> > I want to set up a remote transmitter (for cw only), and this would be a
> > really nice way of doing it if practicable. The best solution from an
> > operational point of view would be for the remote transmitter to just be
> > another rig on Writelog, and even better for it to be slaved to a local rig,
> > but it would be also OK for it to be a network station.
>
> I would not even begin to contemplate remote operation for CW at slow (9600 or
> less) speed. Networked Writelog stations won't actually allow you to operate the
> remote transmitter, it is only to allow communication and log sharing primarily
> in a multi-op situation. (Yes, single ops find it useful, but all the hardware
> is typically on one desk or at least at the next table a few feet away.)
>
> What is really sounds like you need is a remotely controllable radio. Writelog
> and the logging PC that you use at the control point would simply be local to
> the control point. You could also choose to use CT, NA, TR or any other software
> at the control point. CW keying, freq control, and recieve audio would need to
> all go over your remote base connection.
>
> > Any other possibilities or thoughts?
>
> One off-the-shelf method for doing what you propose is to buy a Kachina HF radio
> (add tranverters if you want VHF+) and the remote control hardware that they
> sell for it. Find yourself some wireless (license free) networking hardware that
> will make the path you want. I am deliberately not specifying the exact hardware
> as I have no idea whether or not phone line control is practical in this case,
> or what the path length is. What you want to do can get expesive real quick. I
> have been daydreaming about doing something similar for quite awhile. I live in
> the Atlanta area and my family has a vacation house on Aruba,
> http://www.ArubaVista.com/. Sorry, no ham antennas yet. Give a year or so... I
> long distance calls were free!
>
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Roger
> > VE3ZI
>
> Oooops! Spent too much time on it this AM....now I rush to work!
>
> Cheers,
> Brian
> NX9O/P40X
> rfacres@akorn.net
> http://rfacres.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:01:12 +0000
> From: Jay Townsend <jay@ieway.com>
> Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Rumble Log
>
> At 08:37 PM 8/2/00 -0500, Thomas Webb wrote:
> >
> >With the TARA Rumble not being one of the contests in the WriteLog stable,
> >which contest module are folks using 'to get out and Rumble'?
>
> Tara uses the EXACT ARRL RTTY Roundup Format.
>
> 73 Jay WS7I
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:10:06 -0700
> From: jay <jay@ieway.com>
> Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Rumble Log
>
> At 01:01 PM 8/3/00 +0000, Jay Townsend wrote:
> >
> >At 08:37 PM 8/2/00 -0500, Thomas Webb wrote:
> >>
> >>With the TARA Rumble not being one of the contests in the WriteLog stable,
> >>which contest module are folks using 'to get out and Rumble'?
> >
> >Tara uses the EXACT ARRL RTTY Roundup Format.
>
> Must have still had goop in my eyes when I wrote this one. That's the TARA
> Sprint that's the same as ARRL RTTY. The Rumble I don't know.
>
> Jay
> - ---
> Jay Townsend, WS7I jay@ieway.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:08:32 -0500
> From: "HK3PXA ,R.REY" <hk3pxa@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [WriteLog] WL RTTY window
>
> Hello : Seeing all these postings about the WL RTTY rcving window ... I
> dont like the new version window ... its confusing for me ... what ever
> happened with the first "T" like window ... easy to use , easy to find stns
> etc .
> I dont want to set up another program or connect other gadgets to my radio
> just use the big T ... call me lazy .. what ever, but I worked last years
> RTTY CQ test with it and got into the first ten with it ... now I doubt I'd
> get into the first 100 trying to figure it out ???
>
> Can we have it back in future versions ? Or have it as an optionin a menu
> and everybody just picks out what pleases him best.
>
> 73 de HK3PXA ROB
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:39:51 -0500
> From: "Ned Swartz, K1GU" <k1sop@arrl.net>
> Subject: [WriteLog] WAE CW QTC, help
>
> Can someone share the secret of setting up QTCs, transmitting, and
> logging them. With my foggy old brain, I haven't been able to crack
> the code. ALT+S brings up the window and sets #/0. The QRV?
> button sends #/0 plus the SHIFT+F11 message. That's all I can get
> WL to do. (I entered 20+ dummy QSOs in the log.)
>
> TIA - Ned, K1GU
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of WriteLog Digest V3 #205
> ******************************
>
> --
> WWW: http://www.writelog.com/
> Submissions: writelog@contesting.com
> Administrative requests: writelog-digest-REQUEST@contesting.com
> Problems: owner-writelog-digest@contesting.com
--
WWW: http://www.writelog.com/
Submissions: writelog@contesting.com
Administrative requests: writelog-REQUEST@contesting.com
Problems: owner-writelog@contesting.com