[WriteLog] SO2R contesting question

[Stan Staten]

That may well be the case, but never-the-less I have found verticals with a 
GOOD ground to work rather well.  Most of the problems that I have seen 
have been associated with ground losses as my first vertical was in the 
mid-60s when I was first getting started and didn't know the 
difference.  The ground I described was my way of putting conductor at the 
locations where the highest ohmic losses occur in the ground without having 
to run all the radials that one would like to but doesn't have the either 
the space or energy.

73 Stan, N3HS

At 06:05 PM 06/12/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Stan, In 1977 we were approaching the peak of one of the best sunspot cycles
>peaks ever recorded. Propagation and band conditions have not even come 
>close to
>those levels EVER in the 80's, 90's, or now in the new millenium. Its likely
>that the conditions of those times allowed for the apparent good 
>performance of
>that trapped vertical as any antenna that would accept RF power seemed to
>perform quite well in '77, '78, and '79. Its a whole new ball game over 
>the past
>20 years! 73, -=Roger-K9RB=-
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Stan Staten <n3hs@qsl.net>
>To: <writelog@contesting.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:42 PM
>Subject: Fwd: Re: [WriteLog] SO2R contesting question
>
>
> >
> > To add to his point, when I moved into this house in 1977 I put up a 5-band
> > trap vertical (10-80) and put untuned ground radials out in 4 directions
> > for about 20 feet.  I used a 3 foot ground rod at the end of each radial
> > and an 8 foot rod in the center.  When I was tuning it up, I heard a
> > british sounding voice and gave him a call after his QSO ended.  He was in
> > Australia.  Not bad for barefoot with an FT-101 in Maryland.
> >
> > As a side point, I have been rather disappointed with my R7 mounted about
> > 12 feet high.
> >
> > 73 Stan, N3HS
> >
> > >From: AD6E@aol.com
> > >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:24:53 EDT
> > >Subject: Re: [WriteLog] SO2R contesting question
> > >To: jbrannig@optonline.net, writelog@contesting.com
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> > >
> > >Jim (et all);
> > >
> > >Not to belabor a point, but I thought a quickie expansion of vertical 
> problem
> > >might help: Ground losses are not just 1/4 wavelength from the 
> antenna. Good
> > >radials take care of that. As the signal radiates from the vertical the
> > >electric field, being vertical, induces eddie currents in the earth 
> for many
> > >many wavelengths until the signal becomes a "sky wave". All those 
> eddies sap
> > >signal strength both comming and going. Thats why salt water works so 
> well.
> > >However, it needs several miles of salt water in the desired direction 
> to be
> > >really effective for DX.
> > >
> > >73, Al
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated 6/11/2001 16:12:36 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > >jbrannig@optonline.net writes:
> > >
> > > > I have been fooling around with ground mounted verticals for years (and
> > > >  dipoles and Yagis)
> > > >  The view that they "radiate in all directions poorly" is generally
> > > true....
> > > >  Ground conductivity is crucial.  In this area we have hardpan , 
> rocks and
> > > >  clay over sand....all manner of radials did not do the job.
> > > >  but, with that said, I have had some luck with a 1/4 wavelength on
> > > >  40M....higher freqs. require getting it up in the air, but a 
> dipole will
> > > >  work better.
> > > >  my 2cents
> > > >  Jim
> > > >
> > >
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