[WriteLog] [NCCC] ARRL unrecognized mult ??

Tue Feb 18 13:08:16 EST 2020

Bob & Lex,

My guess is that WL vs ARRL robot have some difference in figuring out a
particular call prefix fitting into the right DXCC entity. Doesn't
necessarily mean WL is wrong.

In my case (DX side) the problem was my logging VY2TT as PE instead of PEI.
That caused an error message and loss of one mult. I changed my log to PEI
and re-submitted which cleared the error and gave me back the mult. WL use
of "PE" matches what ARRL shows should be logged on their web site. So, I
conclude the robot hasn't been updated in a while. That lack of update may
have also caused you guys to lose those DX mults. Just a guess of course.
You may have to wait for your LCR to be sure. I don't know who maintains
the robot.

BTW, I'm opposed to having the robot do that sort of check on logs up front
and allowing the user to correct it. Checking for format errors is a good
thing thing but If I made an error logging something (I do that a lot) then
I should be dinged for it. That said, the actual log check (the real one)
should allow variations in logged exchange such as PE = PEI or in a PH
contest like NAQP,  GARY = GARRY etc.

73, Alan  AD6E / KH6TU

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 7:50 AM Bob Bash <bashrc4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, I submitted my log last night and noticed a similar error.
> Writelog indicates that I have 191 dx multipliers, but the ARRL's log check
> process only credited me for 188. It would result in a drop of about 5,000
> pts. I'll have to follow up this evening and see if I can determine why.
>
> '73,
> Bob, KE3K
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 8:44 AM Lex Felker <lfelker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I had a similar problem, altho I didnt receive an error message.  Writelog
>> summary showed 137 mults, but ARRL response to my log file showed on 134.
>> Not exactly sure how to track down this discrepancy.  Am I the only US/VE
>> reporting this problem?
>>
>> Lex
>> N4LF
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 5:34 PM Alan Maenchen <ad6e at arrl.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Dave,
>> >
>> > Yes, that turns out to be the problem. I had only one Q with PE and
>> > changing it to PEI then re-submitting cleared that problem.
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > BTW, I thought NCCC was not going for ARRL DX (as usual) so I submitted
>> my
>> > score for MLDXCC. If that's not the case let me know and I'll change it.
>> >
>> > 73, Alan  AD6E / KH6TU
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 11:56 AM David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks Jack.
>> > >
>> > > It turns out to be the PE/PEI problem.  The ARRL rules show PE as the
>> > > abbreviation and N1MM, WinTest, Writelog (and probably others)
>> default to
>> > > PE.  But the submission robot expects PEI.  Change the Cabrillo to PEI
>> > and
>> > > missing mults are restored…
>> > >
>> > > Only affects us DX folks, but this is a contest where my score counts
>> for
>> > > NCCC, so even if not a focus contest, I’m still submitting my points
>> to
>> > my
>> > > favourite club…
>> > >
>> > > 73, David G3WGN  M6O  WJ6O
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *From:* Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrindle at me.com]
>> > > *Sent:* 17 February 2020 18:48
>> > > *To:* David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>; Alan AD6E / KH6TU <
>> > > ad6e00 at gmail.com>
>> > > *Cc:* main at NCCC.groups.io
>> > > *Subject:* Re: [NCCC] ARRL unrecognized mult ??
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The rules contain the entities that count for multipliers from the DX
>> > > Station’s perspective, and may explain the issue y'all are seeing.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "5.2.2. DX stations: Sum of US states (except KH6/KL7), District of
>> > > Columbia (DC), and Canadian provinces/territories: NB (VE1, 9), NS
>> (VE1),
>> > > QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NT (VE8),
>> NF
>> > > (VO1 – see note, LB (VO2 – see note), NU (VYØ), YT (VY1), PE (VY2)
>> worked
>> > > per band (maximum of 63 per band).  Note – although VO1 and VO2 have
>> been
>> > > officially merged into a single province, they are counted separately
>> in
>> > > this contest for reasons of tradition."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Is it the VO1/VO2 issue?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 73!
>> > >
>> > > Jack, W6FB
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Feb 17, 2020, at 5:18 AM, David Aslin <david at aslinvc.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I had the same issue Alan.  I was using N1MM+ latest release, but got
>> > > exactly the same message when submitting the log.
>> > >
>> > > I’ve checked the log six ways from Sunday and can’t find any
>> discrepancy.
>> > > Maybe this is the MAR = NF + LB problem on ARRL robot?
>> > >
>> > > 73, David G3WGN  M6O  WJ6O
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *From:* main at NCCC.groups.io [mailto:main at NCCC.groups.io
>> > > <main at NCCC.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Alan AD6E / KH6TU
>> > > *Sent:* 17 February 2020 02:42
>> > > *To:* main at NCCC.groups.io; WriteLog Reflector <
>> writelog at contesting.com>
>> > > *Subject:* [NCCC] ARRL unrecognized mult ??
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I dumped my log into the grinder and got this message:
>> > >
>> > >  (one or more QTHs in the copied exchange not recognized)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I've eyeballed my log but nothing unusual found. Writelog won't let me
>> > log
>> > > a QSO if I enter a bad mult name (can be over-ridden, but I didn't do
>> > > that). So I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this. Is it possible
>> that
>> > > the WL mult list somehow doesn't match the ARRL abbreviation list?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I don't mind loosing a mult if I did something wrong but I hate to
>> lose
>> > > one even before the log is cross checked.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This is for a DX log so mult names are states + provinces. I logged at
>> > > least one of every possible mult except NWT and NF. Yes, I even worked
>> > > someone in NU (on two bands even :-)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 73, Alan  AD6E / KH6TU
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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