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Subject: [AMPS] Parsitic fantasy
From: measures@vc.net (Rich Measures)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:51:12 -0700


> From:                 "Tom Rauch" <w8ji@contesting.com>
>To:                    amps@contesting.com
>Date sent:             Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:16:30 -0400
>Subject:               Re: [AMPS] TL-922 Filament Transformer Protection
>Send reply to:         W8JI@contesting.com
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>
>Subject:               Re: [AMPS] TL-922 Filament Transformer  Protection 
>Date sent:             Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:29:51 -0700 
>From:                  Rich Measures <measures@vc.net> 
>To:                    <W8JI@contesting.com>,  <amps@contesting.com> 
>
>
>I wrote: 
>> >The "omission of fact" that you used to distort the answer was  that the 
>> >particular capacitors I measured with high VHF low UHF  resonances 
>> >contained SERIES resonances, where the impedance went  through a wide DIP 
>> >in impedance. 
>> > 
>> ?  What is the likely Z of a high-Q series-resonant circuit on  
>> frequencies above and below the frequency of resonance?  As I  recall, you 
>> measured an AL80 Tune-C series-resonance at c. 180MHz, and  the parasite 
>> took place c. 160MHz.   
>
>I expect you to "look for" a parallel resonance in the capacitors  Rich, 
>and claim there must be one (without measuring properly)  because without 
>a crummy capacitor that has hundreds or  thousands of ohms of VHF 
>impedance your entire "a VHF parasitic  arced the bandswitch" theory falls 
>square on its nose.

?   In order to develop a high potential, high current flow is essential. 
 Series-resonance causes high current-flow.  Parallel-resonance does not. 
 .  At the frequency of series-resonance, virtually no potential can be 
developed.  However, at frequencies slightly above or below 
series-resonance, high potentials can be developed.  This is essentially 
how an L-matching network works.  

>So of course you want to "invent" a parallel resonance below the  series  
>resonant frequency! Otherwise everyone who swallows your  parasitic BS 
>would see through the farce! 
>
?  not a sound wager. 

>But common sense prevails in many people. If a capacitor had a  parallel 
>resonance at VHF,  the amp would be TVI trash-city. It  would probably 
>never pass FCC  tests for harmonics measured at  VHF. Virtually all amps 
>show a  smooth rapid decrease in  harmonics with increasing frequency. 
>None I've ever seen have the  Hi VHF Z capacitor you desperately search 
>for. Without it, your  VHF bandswitch fantasy can not be true. 
>
>The capacitors typical to AL-80's, SB-1000's, SB-220, L4B's and  so on 
>have a smoothly decreasing impedance up to a  minimum of  almost zero ohms 
>at 180 MHz. Above that the impedance slopes   slowly back upwards in 
>reactance with the opposite sign. The ones  I measured don't look like a 
>high Z at any frequency until up around  400-500 MHz or higher, and even 
>then the impedance isn't all that  high.
>

>Maybe you should change your song and dance to UHF or  Microwave parasitics? 
>  
>> >You did the same thing with the measurements N7WS made on   
>
>> >suppressors. It seems to be your pattern. 
>>  
>> ?   According to Wes' measurements, there was about a 40%  decrease in 
>> VHF-Q with the resistance-wire suppressor compared to the  copper-wire 
>> suppressor.  Are you suggesting that more suppressor Q  equates to more 
>> stability?  
>
>Wes' conclusion (that HE posted) was there was no real difference   
>between the suppressors. 

?  RE:  Wes' 100MHz Q measurements:  The Hewlett-Packard Model 4191A RF 
Impedance Analyzer measured the Q of the copper-wire/W8JI suppressor at 
2.2.   The resistance-wire suppressor had a measured Q of 1.5.   Thus, it 
sort of looks like the copper-wire suppressor had 46% more Q at 100MHz 
than the resistance-wire suppressor.  Is 46% no real difference?  ..  

>You are the one who changed that post   by 
>omitting facts and misapplying data. As you typically do. 
>
-  Cheers, Tom


Rich...

R. L. Measures, 805-386-3734, AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures  


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