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[Amps] SV572 vs 811A

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Subject: [Amps] SV572 vs 811A
From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:02:11 -0700
>Thanks to everyone who responded to my original request. As I suspected, 
>most 
>of the information received was not very useful, because it was too general. 
>However, John K5PRO was kind enought o send me a FAX copy of the SV572 data 
>sheet, which (as I requested) is REAL data. Unfortunately, the Svetlana 
>website is currently not open (at least from my QTH) . With a valid data 
>sheet in hand was able to study the tube in detail. It confirmed my 
>suspicions about this tube.
>
>Despite its higher voltage and dissipation rating, this tube is identical to 
>an 811A when operated in the 1-2KV plate voltage range. Many of the 
>applications for this tube fall into this range - the familiar 1500-2000V 
>4x811A desktop KW. My old 30L1 is exactly such a beast, and is what started 
>this whole thing. Anyway, within that range the operating characteristics 
>and 
>interelectrode capacitances are virtually identical. Also, it is not 
>possible 
>to drive the tube hard enough to require that higher (160W) dissipation. 
>Above about 600ma. the Gm starts to drop like a rock . Hence, my original 
>statement that it quacks just like an 811A.
>
?  As it should, the filament/cathode is the same, and so is the peak 
emission. 

>Here is the real world side of the story. Several years  ago I resurrected 
>an old 30L1, a typical 2KV '"4-holer". 

?  The 30L-1 is not typical in that it does not use a separate VHF 
parasitic suppressor for each bottle.  With new tubes, there have been 
reports of fireworks.  

>When I got it I immediately launched a 
>series of serious modifications, including a brand shiny new set of SV572's. 
>I remember how slick they looked with their shiny new glass,red printing and 
>slim waists. I pulled the 811A's but could not bear to throw them away, so I 
>filed tham away in the back of a drawer. They looked so "old world" that I 
>actually felt sorry for them!
>
>It is now about 1.5yrs since the slim-jims went into action, and in that 
>time 
>50% of them (that sounds more serious than just saying 2 tubes) have died - 
>both of open filaments. 

?  The prototype AL-811 amp that I saw had a problem with broken 
filaments.  With a VHF parasitic osc., there is usually much peak grid 
current and a proportional EMF that is perpindicular to the filament.  
This Force can apparently break the tungsten wire.  Old tubes that are 
low on emission and amplification seldom have surprises.  

>In each case, guess who got their old jobs back. 
>That's right, folks. The old brown beauties went back into the sockets and 
>the plate current/output RF amps never dropped an iota.
>
>In all of this technical discussion, there is only one point that calls out 
>to me for serious comment. That is, the published spec for max. DC plate 
>voltage is 1500V (possibly 1800 if you want to invoke the old ICAS regime) 
>In either case, those geniuses at Collins who designed this amplifier 
>blatantly violated the mfrs published spec on this key component of the 
>design. Typically, this is not done by engineers and companies with 
>integrity, which I believe Collins has always had oodles of. This fact, 
>along 
>with the poor job they did with the power supply design, makes me wonder if 
>maybe the drug era started a little earlier and at a different place than we 
>have all been led to believe.
>
>Eric von Valtier K8LV
>
?  2 millennia ago, the drug of choice was ethanol.

-  R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, 
www.vcnet.com/measures.  
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