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Re: [Amps] Surge resistor

To: "Rick Stealey" <rstealey@hotmail.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Surge resistor
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:32:17 -0400
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
> I am in the process of finishing up my 8877 amp, and the 
> plans I am using
> show a 0.6 ohm 1 watter and a 50 ohm 50 watter in series. 
> So in the event
> of a flashover (milliseconds ?) the 0.5 ohmer is supposed 
> to blow open?

Use Ohm's law. We know that always works for heat.

Let's assume you have 10 ohms of impedance in the supply 
between the filter caps stored energy and the anode system 
with 4000 volts (this is pretty much typical). Without a 
glitch resistor and an anode to grid flashover the surge 
current could be 400 amperes.

Now you add a 1 ohm resistor and nothing else. If the 
resistor doesn't short during a fault failure it would only 
change current to 364 amperes. Hardly worthwhile.

Another problem is a small resistor when it fails arcs 
across the body of the resistor of the gap between leads. It 
continues to provide a low impedance path through the plasma 
until the voltage drops enough to quench the arc. That's why 
a small resistor for a fuse or surge limiting is a very poor 
idea.

If you had a 50 ohm resistor (50 plus the 10  ESR) the surge 
current would be 66.7 amperes. So long as the resistor 
doesn't arc we can be reasonably sure current will be less 
than 67 amperes and less. The peak dissipation in the 50 ohm 
resistor would be 225 kW.

Now you have a .6 ohm resistor that we already know is 
useless because of arc path length) in series with the 50 
ohm. It is 1% of the value and has the same current, so it 
would dissipate 1% of the power or 2.25kW.  While that 
resistor might fail, the arc path length is so short it 
couldn't possibly limit current and open the circuit until 
after the HV is virtually gone. All it does is add something 
to be a nuisance later on. It doesn't really protect or fuse 
anything, it's just something to replace later that really 
never helps.

If you doubt the quench time, look closely at how HV fuses 
are designed. Even with 250 volt fuses the design becomes 
special. HV fuses are *very* long and normally have an 
arc-quenching powder inside.

Why add a part that does nothing?

> can't see the value of the 50 watter.  In case of 
> extremely high plate
> current, such as hitting it with full drive and no load, 
> say 2 amps of plate
> current flows and even then the big resistor only drops 
> 100 volts, and heats
> up 200 watts. I wouldn't expect a wirewound power resistor 
> to fail
> immediately under these circumstances, and I can't see how 
> it is protecting
> anything.
> What am I missing here?  Is the 50 watter the wrong type?

It's for fault limiting. For plate current protection you 
need a real fuse.

73 Tom 


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