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Re: [Amps] liquid cooling

To: Carl <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] liquid cooling
From: Roger <sub1@rogerhalstead.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:27:38 -0400
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Carl wrote:
> And then there were those who immersed metal 6L6's and 1614's upside 
> down in a bucket of water and ran them at 100W out.
That was 100 each too.  It takes me 6 of them to get 200 watts music 
power out.
The infamous 6AG7 kilowatt<:-))

73

Roger (K8RI)
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> Carl
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger" <sub1@rogerhalstead.com>
> To: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
> Cc: <TexasRF@aol.com>; <larry@w7iuv.com>; <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] liquid cooling
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>>
>>
>> Carl wrote:
>>> Sounds like a job for good old PCB transformer oil maybe???
>>>
>>
>> Actually good old Dow Corning 200 fluid.
>> There are no normal cooling fluids that have a greater thermal 
>> conductivity than water.
>> I worked on a project with an engineer many decades ago trying to 
>> come up with a substitute fluid for a solar heating system that could 
>> be used in northern climates and not freeze at night. We had some 
>> pretty good stuff (basically 200 fluid of different viscosities), but 
>> it was expensive.
>>
>> As to those talking about tubes submerged in oil such as the 
>> rectifiers in X-ray machines, that is primarily for insulation
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Roger (K8RI)
>>> Carl
>>> KM1H
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <TexasRF@aol.com>
>>> To: <larry@w7iuv.com>; <amps@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Amps] liquid cooling
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>>>
>>>> Larry, I wonder why your aversion to using water?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Gerald K5GW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 4/5/2010 11:07:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>> larry@w7iuv.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> The  recent discussion on water cooling amp tubes got me thinking. 
>>>> Again.
>>>> (not  a good thing)
>>>>
>>>> Basically I would like to play with liquid cooling but I  
>>>> can't/won't use
>>>> water. While I was still working, I worked on a  multi-kilowatt 
>>>> amplifier
>>>> that was oil cooled. It went into the avionics  bay of an aircraft 
>>>> where
>>>> all the rest of the equipment was also oil  cooled.
>>>>
>>>> As I recall, the oil looked and felt like mineral oil, but I'm  
>>>> sure the
>>>> military wouldn't use something that common and cheap and low  flash
>>>> point. At the time, I pulled up the MSDS for the oil but no longer  
>>>> have
>>>> it and of course I can't remember the numbers.
>>>>
>>>> K8CU talks  about using ATF for cooling liquid  here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.realhamradio.com/liquid-cooling.htm
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately,  there is no indication in the article that he or 
>>>> anyone
>>>> else actually used  ATF. Now ATF contains sulphur compounds that eat
>>>> silver plating and cannot  normally be used in things like dummy loads
>>>> because of this property.  However, a set of heat exchangers used for
>>>> tube cooling would not have  that problem.
>>>>
>>>> K8CU also mentions mineral oil and says it is not  suitable due to the
>>>> low flash point. I have to wonder about that because  for one I would
>>>> hope nothing in a system I would build would ever get hot  enough to
>>>> worry about flash point and two, it probably won't flash anyway  
>>>> due it
>>>> being in a closed system with little or no free  air/oxygen.
>>>>
>>>> What I'm looking for is someone who has actually done  liquid cooling
>>>> with something other than water. No, I have no interest in  "flat 
>>>> earth"
>>>> theories, or what you think you remember from a  thermodynamics 
>>>> class you
>>>> sat through 40 years ago. I want actual test  results and operational
>>>> data from real world applications.
>>>>
>>>> 73,  Larry
>>>>
>>>> Larry - W7IUV
>>>> DN07dg - central  WA
>>>> http://w7iuv.com
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