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Re: [Amps] Can I cool too much the tubes?

To: "JayKay" <pcb4u@verizon.net>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Can I cool too much the tubes?
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:12:27 -0400
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Ditto for the T4XC when I was contesting and I do similar with a TS-940 
these days, that heatsink gets real hot otherwise.

Contesters also added an external muffin fan to cool the PS in the SB-220 
and the Alpha 76 even had a series of holes already in place on the back 
panel.

Carl
KM1H




>I did the same for my 30L1 for a decade which always ran REALLY hot to the
> touch. The muffin fan really reduced overall temp
>
>
> Jay
> W2IJ
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick Barthelow" <apolloeme@live.com>
> To: <r_bakalov@yahoo.com>; <amps@contesting.com>; <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Can I cool too much the tubes?
>
>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have a schematic for the amp under discussion, or perhaps
>> looked to see the sensor device that senses excessive heat to
>> trigger a shutdown?  I am curious what they sample for the  heat trip
>> function.    And, if it is an internal sensor for the transformer core, 
>> it
>> might not help,  but perhaps some extra muffin fans, mounted external or
>> internal to the amp could add enough cooling to extend its duty cycle on
>> RTTY.
>>
>> Back in the olden days, as a kid, I used to sit a muffin fan right on top
>> of my Drake TR-4 Finals Cage, drawing upward, and the whole radio became
>> and ran dramatically cooler.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> 73, de Pat Barthelow AA6EG
>>
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:16:13 -0700
>>> From: r_bakalov@yahoo.com
>>> To: amps@contesting.com; ranchorobbo@gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Can I cool too much the tubes?
>>>
>>> Rob,
>>> I am the second owner of this amp and don't know its age. It is the grey
>>> model. I can certainly look up the serial number when I am back to VE3
>>> where my contesting QTH is.
>>> As far as mode goes, my very first post noted that this is with respect
>>> to RTTY where I can't really run it longer than 30 min at full power.  I
>>> am not a SSB guy; CW runs all day long at full power. Standby or not,
>>> some sort of protection kicks in when the amps gets too hot and the
>>> orange STBY LED is on.
>>> So now my dilemma is if I should run low power, without the amp, or high
>>> power at only 400 W during the upcoming CQWW RTTY contest :-) Or time 
>>> for
>>> an Alpha :-)
>>> Rudy N2WQ
>>> --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Can I cool too much the tubes?
>>> To: amps@contesting.com
>>> Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 4:28 PM
>>>
>>> Rudy,
>>>
>>> Is this automatic standby mode protection a new thing with the
>>> Centurion?  Mine is around 10 years old and it has nothing like this.
>>>
>>> When did you get yours?
>>>
>>> N.B.  When you guys write about transmittion time at some power level,
>>> it is very important that you specify the mode.
>>>
>>> There is a huge difference between "1.5 KW no time limit (operating
>>> SSB) and 1.5 KW no time limit carrier.
>>>
>>> SSB is the "Coors Light" of transmission modes.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Rob
>>> K5UJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:34:58 -0700 (PDT), Rudy Bakalov
>>> <r_bakalov@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Experience trumps specs. The amp goes into standby mode after about 30
>>> >minutes
>>> >running at full power, i.e. about 1200 W.  If I run it at around 
>>> >400-500
>>> >W it
>>> >is fine.
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