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Re: [Amps] 2010 Handbook

To: "Roger \(sub1\)" <sub1@rogerhalstead.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] 2010 Handbook
From: "Hsu" <hsu4qro@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:09:46 +0800
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Thanks Roger!
I'm benefit a lot from it.

 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger (sub1)" <sub1@rogerhalstead.com>
To: "Hsu" <hsu4qro@gmail.com>
Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] 2010 Handbook


> On 11/16/2010 7:11 PM, Hsu wrote:
>> I do not know why ARRL stiill published so old article,
> They do have  some new topics of which I am particularly fond. <:-))
>>   as you know, the 4CX1600B is rare and expensive part.
> The 4CX1600B is not only rare, as I understand it is no longer 
> produced.  It was, in  my estimation, a great tube, but apparently there 
> wasn't enough demand to justify continued production along with economic 
> difficulties in the producing country.
>>    It is bizarrerie, why few person using 4CX1000A?
>> It has  legal power.
> I can guess of a few reasons although they may not be valid I think they 
> exist.
> 1:     The tube has zero grid dissipation.  With a proper circuit that 
> is not a problem with a tetrode, but it carries a stigma and one I 
> believed for a while.
> 2.    It only has 1000 watts plate dissipation, yet that is more than 
> enough to get the US legal limit. Alpha uses a pair of them in the 
> manual tune amp.
> 3.    It was used in the 30S-1 and associated with only about 1200 watts 
> max out even if that amp was designed to the OLD US specs.
> 4.    It uses an oddball socket, although it is the same socket as the 
> 4CX1500B uses and basically the same as the             Chinese FU728F 
> socket except for the size of the centering pin. (easily fixed if you 
> want to exchange tubes)
>         Maximum frequency for full power is only 110 MHz, but I believe 
> it will operate at 144-147 MHz at reduced ratings and a pair in PP will 
> easily run more than the legal limit.  Basically the three tubes 
> mentioned are interchangable except for the filament voltage and that 
> centering pin.
> 5.    maybe the most important, the 4CX1500B will do almost anything the 
> 4CX1000 will do and it's more rugged.
> 6.    The Chinese FU728F will do most any thing the 4CX1000A will do for 
> about half or less than half the price.
> 7.    4CX1500B tubes seem to be readily available.
> 8.    A single 4CX1000A is good for for about 2000 watts out while the 
> 4CX1500B is good for roughly 2600 watts out (PEP). So is the FU728F even 
> though it is officially rated at 1200 watts plate dissipation.
> 
> One thing I like about these tubes is they will operate in any position, 
> not just vertical with base up or down. At least the two US tubes will 
> and I believe the Chinese tube will as well.
> 
> One other point, here in the US Triodes are the configuration of choice 
> and Tetrodes and not all that popular.
> Part of this has come about due to the FCC regulations with gain 
> limitations or drive power that were in effect for several decades.
> 
> Another is that a number of triodes from the 3CX800 through the 3CX3000 
> to CY156 are available as pulls at reasonable prices and will operate at 
> higher frequencies at full power. Although the CY156 has a very long 
> warm up time when used any where near amateur power levels the things 
> should last for generations.  I happen to like both the 3CX3000 and the 
> 4CX3000A7 as well. The 3CX3000A7 operates at reasonable voltages, is 
> rebuildable, and is capable of substantial output power at good IM 
> products as is the 4CX3000A7.  OTOH the sockets for the 3CX3000 are 
> cheaper and currently readily available.  The sockets for the 4CX3000 
> are *EXPENSIVE*! which is probably why the tubes are available at pretty 
> reasonable prices.  BTW the 3 and 4CX3000 tubes are Thoriated Tungsten 
> which makes them almost instant on.  The 4CX version is rated full power 
> to 150 MHz.
> 
> Guess that covers far more than the original question.
> 
> 73
> 
> Roger (K8RI)
>>      73!Hsu
>
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