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Re: [Amps] Arcing 8877

To: Listwa@comcast.net, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Arcing 8877
From: TexasRF@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:01:27 -0500 (EST)
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Hi Les, I just went through the same experience with my 2m 8877 amplifier.  
The amp worked very well over the eme contest but did the big BOOM thing 
the  next time I fired it up, only a couple of days later.
 
Fortunately, the snubber diodes on the B- rail protected the meter but one  
of the diodes gave up it's life in the process. 
 
The tube would start heavy conduction at any plate voltage higher than  
about 900vdc. No amount of fiddling with the tube brought any usable  results.
 
I found a spare YU338 (i think that is the number) that was purchased about 
 20 years ago and squirreled away. A leakage test was made by connecting a  
Tripllet 6KV VOM between the cold tube anode and the hv power supply, with 
the  grid connected to B-. The voltmeter showed about 20% full scale which 
is about  12 microamperes of leakage current.
 
The tube was plugged into the socket, air and heater voltage was applied  
for about five hours. A retest of the leakage showed no measurable current 
with  4.2 KV so the tube was left in and rf tested. Happily, it works like a 
charm  now.
 
I am of the opinion that a leakage test is very important. Further, it does 
 not take any sophisticated equipment to do a leakage test. Some means of  
limiting the current flow is vital and the HV voltmeter is ideal for that 
and it  gives a meaningful reading in the process.
 
The current limiting will protect the metering as well as any hv power  
supply fuses/breakers.
 
If a tube doesn't pass this type of test, it is not going to work with rf  
either.
 
73,
Gerald K5GW
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/24/2011 8:56:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
Listwa@comcast.net writes:

Hi  All,

I have a 2nd hand 8877  based 144 Mhz amp, built like a  rock.  Has worked
fine for over a year, then bang. I saw a flash and  of course the fuse did
its job.  The tube in it was maybe 20 years  old.

It took out the shunt( resistor and diode)   in the Grid  and Meter which I
replaced.  I  figure I would replace the tube  since I had a newer used 
tube.
I " burned" it in for about 18 hours with  the filament and fan running and
another 6 hours with the HV on, just for  good luck.

I keyed it and slowly brought the power up, worked   fine at 5 W and at 10W
in I measured 230W on the bird meter and it flashed  again, fuse again.   I
replaced the fuse  and powered it up  and again at 10 Watts showing 230W, 
but
the metering was gone and I looked  through the vent screen and saw it 
arcing
intermittently  at the age  of the fins, above the Anode strap that goes
around it.

I am looking  for advise. Easy to fix the meter shunts, but is it a problem
with the  tube(s),  the anode strap is as tight as it goes.... any guesses. 
 

73s
Les
W2LPL


Thanks
Les
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