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Re: [Amps] Pi-L Network Question

To: "'Jim Garland'" <4cx250b@muohio.edu>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Pi-L Network Question
From: "Peter Voelpel" <df3kv@t-online.de>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:06:19 +0200
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Hi Jim,

Paul,WD7S is using Pi-L with his 8877 autotune allband amp, his layout looks
quite practical to me.
The tank layout is also linked on that page:

http://home.earthlink.net/~wd7s/gallery-5a.htm

73
Peter, DJ7WW

-----Original Message-----
From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Garland
Sent: Montag, 18. Juni 2012 19:26
To: 'Peter Voelpel'; amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Pi-L Network Question

You're right, Peter. I misspoke. It's the large required L1 & L2 that make a
pi-L impractical for an 8877 on 160m. For example, for Q=12 and a plate
impedance of 2600 ohms (roughly correct for an 8877 with 4KV plate voltage),
L1=43uH and L2=11uH. L1 would truly be a monster inductor! For a pi-network,
L1=23 uH, or roughly half as great as for a pi-L. The values of C1 and C2
aren't really of practical significance, since one can always use fixed
capacitors as needed. Thanks for correcting me.
73,
Jim W8ZR 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Voelpel [mailto:df3kv@t-online.de]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 11:03 AM
> To: 4CX250B; amps@contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [Amps] Pi-L Network Question
> 
> It´s the opposite.
> The required capacitance of the load-C of a simple Pi network is much
larger
> then that of a Pi-L, a big advantage beside the much besser harmonic 
> supression and easier tuning.
> The two coils should not couple to keep the harmonics as low as
calculated.
> However, the required inductance is larger with the Pi-L.
> 
> 73
> Peter, DJ7WW
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] 
> On Behalf Of Jim Garland
> Sent: Montag, 18. Juni 2012 17:57
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: [Amps] Pi-L Network Question
> 
> I've been noodling around various tank circuit possibilities for a 
> 160m monoband amplifier. A pi-L network isn't very practical for an 
> 8877
because
> the relatively high plate impedance mandates very large values of C1 
> and
C2.
> For an 8877, a simple pi-network is preferred. On the other hand, a 
> Pi-L makes a lot of sense for, e.g., three 3CX800a7s or GU-74Bs,  
> because the combined plate impedance is under 1000 ohms and the 
> required capacitance
and
> inductance values are quite reasonable.


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