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Re: [Amps] Amps Digest, Vol 138, Issue 23

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Amps Digest, Vol 138, Issue 23
From: David Lisney <g0fvt@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:41:36 +0100
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Hi, the power supply for the Quadra is a switch-mode, the manual seems to 
reckon 240v is ok.
In the UK our mains voltage is 240v, as far as I know Quadras survive that 
fine... I personally would run it straight off your mains supply... the buck 
transformer is a valid approach to sorting out the supply voltage issue... 
however it is vital that current is not allowed to pass through the low voltage 
secondary without the primary powered.
A 15v 10a transformer should do the job...
regards David G0FVT

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>   1. Buck-Boost Transformer Selection (Richard Solomon)
>   2. Re: Buck-Boost Transformer Selection (Jim Garland)
>   3. Re: Buck-Boost Transformer Selection (Carl)
>   4. Re: Buck-Boost Transformer Selection (Bill Turner)
>   5. Whither all band sw bandpass filters (w5ov@w5ov.com)
>   6. Re: Buck-Boost Transformer Selection (Doug Ronald)
>   7. Re: Buck-Boost Transformer Selection (Bill Turner)
>   8. Re: Buck-Boost Transformer Selection (Glen Zook via Amps)
>   9. Re: Buck-Boost Transformer Selection (Joe Subich, W4TV)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:05:30 -0700
> From: Richard Solomon <dickw1ksz@gmail.com>
> To: "amps@contesting.com" <amps@contesting.com>
> Subject: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
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> I have a lead on a late production Quadra so I guess I better
> invest in a B-B Xfmr to get my sometimes 250 volt line down
> to something acceptable to my new little friend.
> 
> Question is on the rating for the Xfmr ... I expect I should get
> something rated for the load, say 1.5 KVA (considering the
> rating is for CCS use not ICAS).
> 
> Now I find lots of them over on the evil empire, but looking at
> the specs on the label is confusing:
> 
> One I found says:
> 
> Max Volts 264   Max Amps 62.5  1.5KVA
> 
> The current rating does not make sense. How can I sort this out ??
> 
> Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:17:56 -0600
> From: "Jim Garland" <4cx250b@miamioh.edu>
> To: "'Richard Solomon'" <dickw1ksz@gmail.com>,    <amps@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
> Message-ID: <00f901cf9099$689efe40$39dcfac0$@miamioh.edu>
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> Hi Dick,
> You don't need a 1.5KV rating. Let's say you want to drop the line voltage
> by 12V and suppose  the maximum current drawn from the AC line by the
> amplifier is 15 Amps. You'd thus  need only a 12Vrms/15A transformer (180W).
> Because of the limited duty cycle of the Quadra, probably a 10-12A
> tranformer would work fine. 
> 73,
> Jim W8ZR.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Solomon
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:06 AM
>> To: amps@contesting.com
>> Subject: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
>> 
>> I have a lead on a late production Quadra so I guess I better
>> invest in a B-B Xfmr to get my sometimes 250 volt line down
>> to something acceptable to my new little friend.
>> 
>> Question is on the rating for the Xfmr ... I expect I should get
>> something rated for the load, say 1.5 KVA (considering the
>> rating is for CCS use not ICAS).
>> 
>> Now I find lots of them over on the evil empire, but looking at
>> the specs on the label is confusing:
>> 
>> One I found says:
>> 
>> Max Volts 264   Max Amps 62.5  1.5KVA
>> 
>> The current rating does not make sense. How can I sort this out ??
>> 
>> Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:35:14 -0400
> From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
> To: "Richard Solomon" <dickw1ksz@gmail.com>,    <amps@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
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> 
> Move the decimal to the left.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Solomon" <dickw1ksz@gmail.com>
> To: <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 1:05 PM
> Subject: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
> 
> 
>> I have a lead on a late production Quadra so I guess I better
>> invest in a B-B Xfmr to get my sometimes 250 volt line down
>> to something acceptable to my new little friend.
>> 
>> Question is on the rating for the Xfmr ... I expect I should get
>> something rated for the load, say 1.5 KVA (considering the
>> rating is for CCS use not ICAS).
>> 
>> Now I find lots of them over on the evil empire, but looking at
>> the specs on the label is confusing:
>> 
>> One I found says:
>> 
>> Max Volts 264   Max Amps 62.5  1.5KVA
>> 
>> The current rating does not make sense. How can I sort this out ??
>> 
>> Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:18:17 -0700
> From: Bill Turner <dezrat@outlook.com>
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
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> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:          (may be snipped)
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>> On 6/25/2014 10:05 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>> I have a lead on a late production Quadra so I guess I better
>> invest in a B-B Xfmr to get my sometimes 250 volt line down
>> to something acceptable to my new little friend.
> 
> REPLY:
> 
> This isn't what you asked, but you really need to get the power company 
> to fix your over-voltage problem. Anything in your house that runs off 
> of the 240 line is susceptible to damage. Fix that and you won't need a 
> transformer.
> 
> 73, Bill W6WRT
> dezrat@outlook.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:51:49 -0500
> From: w5ov@w5ov.com
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: [Amps] Whither all band sw bandpass filters
> Message-ID: <14be13f838932009c0812075677d6b1b.squirrel@www12.qth.com>
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> 
> K4VUD said:
> 
> "Array Solutions sells an aptly named AS-419 auto switching filter set for
> the SIX bands and a separate AS-419W for four bands, WARC and 60m.  Nice
> Guy Jay at Array politely refused my request to him to create a unit for
> all TEN bands in one unit.  Having two boxes makes switching and wiring a
> nightmare."
> 
> Allow me to correct some misconceptions here.
> 
> One misconception is that it would be economical to create a 9 or 10
> filter commercial product for just one customer. One might think that
> there'd be a huge market for such a consolidated product, but that is not
> the case. Most purchasers of bandpass filters do so strictly for contests.
> Therefore, they do not want WARC filters included.  We offer the contest
> bands in the AS-419, and the WARC bands in the AS-419W.
> 
> The second misconception is that having the two units in question creates
> a "wiring nightmare".
> 
> Depending on the radio type you have, you may not even need a band decoder
> to fully automate the selection of all 10 filters in the AS-419
> (160,80,40,20,15 & 10m) and AS-419W (60,30,17,12m) combo.
> 
> If you have a Yaesu transceiver or an Elecraft K3, this combination can be
> controlled directly from the Yaesu format band data from the radio.  This
> can be routed to both units via an inexpensive DB-9 Y connector and one
> DIN to DB9 cable (or DB15HD to DB9 for the K3) .  Hardly a nightmare.
> 
> The units will enable the correct filter or go into bypass mode
> automatically with this method or using a band decoder.  With the Array
> Solutions Bandmaster 4 band decoder, the connections from decoder to both
> bandpass filter units are handled using provided RJ-14 terminated
> "telephone" type cords.  Again, no wiring nightmare.
> 
> Details can be found here:
> 
> http://www.arraysolutions.com/Hamation/bandpasser/bandpasser_II_AS_419.htm
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bob W5OV
> Array Solutions
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:12:13 -0700
> From: "Doug Ronald" <doug@dougronald.com>
> To: <amps@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
> Message-ID: <007f01cf90a9$60878280$21968780$@dougronald.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> The American National Standard for Electric Power Systems and Equipment
> allows the service range for nominal 240 VAC mains to be 228 - 252 VAC. The
> utilization range extends to 254.4 VAC.
> 
> Find the reference document here:
> http://www.pge.com/includes/docs/pdfs/mybusiness/customerservice/energystatu
> s/powerquality/voltage_tolerance.pdf
> 
> Doug Ronald
> AE6SY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bill Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:18 AM
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
> 
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:          (may be snipped)
> 
>> On 6/25/2014 10:05 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>> I have a lead on a late production Quadra so I guess I better invest 
>> in a B-B Xfmr to get my sometimes 250 volt line down to something 
>> acceptable to my new little friend.
> 
> REPLY:
> 
> This isn't what you asked, but you really need to get the power company to
> fix your over-voltage problem. Anything in your house that runs off of the
> 240 line is susceptible to damage. Fix that and you won't need a
> transformer.
> 
> 73, Bill W6WRT
> dezrat@outlook.com
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:25:28 -0700
> From: Bill Turner <dezrat@outlook.com>
> To: Adrian Flynn <adrianjamesflynn@gmail.com>, Amps
>    <amps@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
> Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP474EC472826A73526FDE3BC0190@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
> 
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:          (may be snipped)
> 
>> On 6/25/2014 12:18 PM, Adrian Flynn wrote:
>> If you monitor the line voltage closely you will find that the "Power 
>> Companies" are slowly raising the *Normal Line Voltage* to /*125 volts 
>> per leg and 250 volts* *for both legs!*/
> 
> REPLY:
> 
> Nevertheless, I would ask the power company to fix it. If they refuse, 
> then go from there.
> 
> 73, Bill W6WRT
> dezrat@outlook.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:42:54 -0700
> From: Glen Zook via Amps <amps@contesting.com>
> To: Bill Turner <dezrat@outlook.com>,    Adrian Flynn
>    <adrianjamesflynn@gmail.com>, Amps <amps@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
> Message-ID:
>    <1403725374.86915.YahooMailNeo@web142301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> The power company is not very likely to reduce the voltage! ?Especially with 
> the load placed on the distribution systems during the summer months, the 
> company is going to run higher voltage and that means about 127 / 254 VAC. 
> ?In this area, Dallas, Texas, area, the line voltage has generally been very 
> near the 127 / 254 VAC levels since the late 1960s during the warmer months. 
> ?I don't know about prior to 1967 since I didn't live in the area until April 
> 1967.
> 
> The "target" voltage is 125 VAC +/- 2-volts / 250 VAC +/- 4-volts and 
> virtually every electric company runs on the "+" side during the warmer 
> months.
> ?
> Glen, K9STH
> 
> 
> Website:  http://k9sth.com
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:25 PM, Bill Turner <dezrat@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:? ? ? ? ? (may be snipped)
> 
>> On 6/25/2014 12:18 PM, Adrian Flynn wrote:
>> If you monitor the line voltage closely you will find that the "Power 
>> Companies" are slowly raising the *Normal Line Voltage* to /*125 volts 
>> per leg and 250 volts* *for both legs!*/
> 
> REPLY:
> 
> Nevertheless, I would ask the power company to fix it. If they refuse, 
> then go from there.
> 
> 73, Bill W6WRT
> dezrat@outlook.com
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:00:06 -0400
> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Buck-Boost Transformer Selection
> Message-ID: <53AB2A46.3070001@subich.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> 
> The issue is that the Quadra was designed for the Japanese market in
> an era where the common input power level was 100/200 V and typical 
> maximum voltages were 220V.  As such a 240 V maximum input voltage is
> entirely acceptable ... particularly considering that the 240 V spec
> even covers 110/220V that was common in North America at the time.
> 
> The VP-1000 (Power Supply) manual specifies 14A at 200/220/234V input.
> I would be looking for a 250 to 220 V boost/buck transformer rated for
> 15A to be safe.  Solid state amplifiers of this generation tend to
> have somewhat lower efficiencies than modern tube amplifiers - around
> 40 to 50%.  At 1000W output the amplifier is specified for 48 A at 48V
> (2300 W) input - consistent with the rated 14A input.
> 
> 73,
> 
>    ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 2014-06-25 3:25 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
>> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:          (may be snipped)
>> 
>>> On 6/25/2014 12:18 PM, Adrian Flynn wrote:
>>> If you monitor the line voltage closely you will find that the "Power
>>> Companies" are slowly raising the *Normal Line Voltage* to /*125 volts
>>> per leg and 250 volts* *for both legs!*/
>> 
>> REPLY:
>> 
>> Nevertheless, I would ask the power company to fix it. If they refuse,
>> then go from there.
>> 
>> 73, Bill W6WRT
>> dezrat@outlook.com
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