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Subject: Re: [Amps] PowerGenius XL - Others
From: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:02:10 -0500
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Years past, I worked on many water cooled tube type amplifiers/oscillators. Compared to those, water cooling a SS amp is outlandishly simple. Route the Cu water tube through a milled slot in the heat spreader. The most complicated part is how well you want to monitor the water flow and temp. Typically a restrictor is placed in the input line and the pressure is measured on both sides of the restrictor. Due to the heat spreader being at chassis ground, heat sensord can be directly attached to the spreader plate.

This has the advantage that a finned cooler can be added, so if the water flow stops, the amp can still be fan cooled

73, Roger (K8RI)

On 2/14/2017 2:07 AM, John Lyles wrote:
I've been using water cooled pulsed RF amplifiers since 1995 at work. The first uses were DMOS MRF151G variants running @28 VDC. In the last 3 years we have moved those out and gone to 48 volt LDMOS, far less devices to get 5500 watts peak at 200 MHz.

I know water-cooling has been discussed here before, but I agree that a
well designed water-cooled SSPA has the potential to gain some traction in
the amateur market if the $ make sense. That said, I think it is
unrealistic to expect one of our ham radio manufacturers to offer an
"inexpensive" water-cooled SSPA for amateur use. The added complexity and potential maintenance might be enough to put the water-cooling concept on
"ice" from a ham radio manufacturing point of view.
.....
So far, this is about the closest I have seen to getting to where the
water-cooling needs to go (at least from another ham). I suspect in the
ISM/radar/broadcast world, water-cooling SSPA's is fairly straightforward.
.....

In addition to solid state RF for driver stages, we use a number of different tubes in plain water cooled and hypovaportron cooled. The difference is that we have already got a huge deionized water plant, so air cooling is generally avoided for all stages. The amplifiers are cleaner inside.
John K5PRO

A big difference between vapor-phase and liquid-water cooling is that vapor cooling is much more efficient per volume unit of water passing through the
system.   From the Dick Ehrhorn's description on cooling efficiency:

"In typical closed-loop liquid-water-cooled systems, the maximum outlet
(hot) water temp must be held well below 100 deg C to avoid hot-spot boiling

on the anode surface, which can and does create steam bubbles, which in
turn "insulate" the hot spot from the water so the hot spot gets even
hotter. This typically creates a temperature runaway and may lead to
destruction of tube and/or cooling components. Typical inlet (cool) water from the chiller may be specified as </= say, 45 deg C, and maximum outlet
water temp as 80 deg C to avoid spot boiling.

Anyway, in this example each gram of cooling water passing through the
tube's water jacket can absorb not more than (80-45) = 35 calories of heat.
Conversely, each gram of 45 deg C water entering a vapor-cooled tube's
boiler absorbs approximately [540 + (100-45)] = 595 cal/gm while
vaporizing. So, vapor cooling requires passing only about 35/595 = 1/17 as
much water
volume through the system as does water cooling."

Paul, W9AC



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