Kevin you DON'T get it at all.
You could not be MORE wrong, I DO love solid state. I have repaired more
solid state amps than tube and I bet way more than you have repaired. IT is
just that everything that I said is true and I love the truth. It appears
that you can't handle the truth by the fact that you make things up that you
don't know a thing about.
By the way your statements about "only a few years" just makes my point for
me, no history with them. What is it that you fail to get about lack of
history?
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Stover, AC0H
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 18:16
To: amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] LDMOS availability
OK, name some 1400W solid state devices and they're first date of
manufacture. Seems to me they didn't exist until a few years ago.
You don't like solid state....we get it.
People didn't like cars and tractors much when they drove horses out to
pasture either.
On 6/5/2017 9:54 PM, w8hw@comcast.net wrote:
Larry,
You made and proved my point for me. The transistor you mention is NOT an
1400 watt class (as I specified in the email) in fact your transistor is
not even close, it is closer to 140 watt out (if memory serves) That makes
your statement off by a factor of 10. You asked me to be careful, I was
very carful to specify 1400 watt class in my email.
Thank you , Bruce, W8HW
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-----Original Message----- From: Larry Benko
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 20:40
To: amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] LDMOS availability
Bruce,
The MRF-150 came out in 1983/84 and Helge Granberg produced the Motorola
app not EB-104 using the XRF-150 in the same year. It is still readily
available. Be careful with your FACTS!
Larry, W0QE
On 6/5/2017 5:12 PM, w8hw@comcast.net wrote:
Actually you do NOT have your crystal ball to predict the future so your
statement is NOT based in fact, only an opinion. I prefer to go with
facts, so hear we go.
FACT... Because we can not see into the future, we only have history to
look at.
FACT... History has shown us that RF power devices have NOT survived 15
years of manufacture very well... IN FACT... I challenge you to show me
the facts. Show me a solid state RF transistor in that power class (RF
1400 watts out) that has been in production for 15 years and is still in
production today. I am open minded and would love to see your report.
FACT... I noticed that you did not mention if they agree to the $100k
Guarantee. Why is that important, see below.
FACT... If they are sure that they will keep production going until the
year 2032 (15 years), then that guarantee should BE NO PROBLEM for them.
Talk is cheep
FACT... If you feel that is an unfair request, then that tells us that
(Deep down) you do not believe them either. Please do not tell me that
you DO have a crystal ball.
FACT... Many high power tubes (8877 and 3-500) do have a rich 40+ year
history with no end in sight.
FACT... I have purchased the BLF188 because I CAN afford both the cost
and the risk. However people who can not afford the cost and risk may
wish to take this into consideration.
FACT... I have been in the RF repair industry since 1971 and have seen
and faced this issue happen over and over again. How long have you been
in it???
73, Bruce, W8HW
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-----Original Message----- From: Per Molund
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 14:55
To: w8hw@comcast.net ; amps@contesting.com ; Tom Thompson
Subject: Re: [Amps] LDMOS availability
Actually they have put it in writing, on the data sheet (although
prelimenary at the moment) they state 'Included in NXP product
longevity program with assured supply for a minimum of 15 years after
launch' which I see as a quite firm commitment. Or do You have an
example that NXP has not fullfilled their 'longevity program'
commitment for some components?
73 de LA9XKA - Per
At 19:08 05.06.2017, w8hw@comcast.net wrote:
Talk is cheep. Ask them if they will put that in writing? Also ask if
they will put a penalty clause stating they will give you a $100k
payment should they fail the 15 year test. After all if it was true,
they should have no problems with that. On the other hand if they baulk
, that tells you that they are just talk with no truth. Additionally,
Please be honest... If you are reluctant to ask them for that guarantee,
that shows that you KNOW they are just talk. Someone or Anyone let me
know if anyone gets that guarantee.
Remember company plans do change with new management or when they get a
bad P&L. This is especially true if they are listed on any exchange such
as NASDAQ. Like the dip in early 2016 (NXPI at $65) and now back on a
good clime this year ($109.00) now. companies tend to make strong claims
on the peek and pull claims back claims on the stock dip. Often they
have no choice. The device market history is the only good indicator.
Solid State RF power devices still have a very poor history.
Translation... the market speaks with authority, companies just talk.
I have a solid state amp (dual BLF188) homebrew amp, and have two (2)
tube amps one of which is AL-1500 with 8877 tube. I love them all, but
understand the risk of SS replacement as I have been in broadcasting or
the RF repair business since 1971 and a Ham since 1962. I have lived
through everything that I have said above.
73, Bruce, W8HW
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-----Original Message----- From: Tom Thompson
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 11:18
To: amps@contesting.com
Subject: [Amps] LDMOS availability
I recently took part in a webinar on the new, 1800 watt, 65 volt, LDMOS
transistors made by NXP. It is the MRFX1K80, and NXP plans to produce
it for at least 15 years.
Tom W0IVJ
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