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To: <stephen@kangas.com>, <kg7hf@comcast.net>, <antennaware@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Antennaware] Antennaware Digest
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>
Reply-to: lists@subich.com
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:00:17 -0500
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> The name of this reflector is misleading.  Tony's posting is 
> a good example of what results, and I'll bet there are dozens 
> of others out there who are similarly misled in their 
> understanding that this reflector is NOT about antennas in 
> general, 

There is nothing misleading about the name of the reflector. 
Antennaware is a contraction of "Antenna Software" which very 
clearly describes modeling software.  

Further, if you go to the list page on the web (the link is 
at the bottom of EVERY message), your will find the title: 
"Antenna ware -- Antenna Modeling, Programs, and Theory" 






> -----Original Message-----
> From: antennaware-bounces@contesting.com 
> [mailto:antennaware-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stephen Kangas
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:48 PM
> To: kg7hf@comcast.net; antennaware@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Antennaware] Antennaware Digest
> 
> 
> As a marketing professional, I feel compelled to throw in my 
> 2 cents worth
> :-) ....
> 
> The name of this reflector is misleading.  Tony's posting is 
> a good example of what results, and I'll bet there are dozens 
> of others out there who are similarly misled in their 
> understanding that this reflector is NOT about antennas in 
> general, but instead intended by the founders to be about 
> only one narrow aspect of antenna discussion.  
> 
> This "problem" will persist until one of the following 
> occurs: (1) the name of the reflector/subject changes to 
> reflect the intended topic; (2) the intended topic broadens 
> to include all other aspects of antenna discussion;
> (3) enough message traffic occurs that eventually newbies (and current
> oldies) figure out that the bulk of discussion is about what 
> is intended by the moderator(s) (right now, this antenna 
> discussion reflector has the lowest message traffic of any of 
> the half-dozen I'm currently subscribed to, making it much 
> more susceptible to "accidental" "off-topic" postings).
> 
> Otherwise, I have found that at least for those wire antennas 
> I'm interested in that the construction is *unfortunately* 
> tightly linked to the modeling...ie, the model is 
> sufficiently inaccurate that the ultimate construction 
> dimensions & topology have to be different than the EZNEC, 
> MMANA and other antenna modeling programs' model, making for 
> a highly interactive design operation between the modeling 
> and the construction.  The one exception I've witnessed was a 
> pro engineer friend's professional modeling program that 
> seemed to nail it, but I'm not quite ready to drop
> >$1000 on a tool that I use for casual hobby use.  Thus, I 
> agree with a
> recent poster that in order for this reflector to be more 
> useful there should be at least some discussion about 
> construction problems vs model.
> 
> FWIW,
> Stephen W9SK
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antennaware-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:antennaware-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> kg7hf@comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:00 AM
> To: antennaware@contesting.com
> Subject: [Antennaware] Antennaware Digest
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I must be subscribed to the wrong list.   I didn't know this 
> was only for antenna models, what a surprise, but then again, 
> I've only been subscribed for about 2 years now, and seen 
> maybe 10 messages go by the entire time. 
> 
> 
> 
> If it's for modeling, why not make a model then talk about it?    
> 
> 
> 
> How about this to get it started (and I am not so good of a 
> model maker).  
> Basically, a 40m 4sq, sitting on the ground but using the 
> ~70ft mast to hold it, they slope a littel inward.     I'm 
> sure it could be tweaked to make it much better.   I can send 
> the entire model if desired. 
> 
> 
> 
> Paul, kg7hf 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                    EZNEC Demo ver. 5.0 
> 
> Offset Fed Yagi -Uda for QEX                 2/18/2009     
> 12:56:36 PM 
> 
>               --------------- WIRES --------------- 
> 
> No.          End 1   Coord. (ft)              End 2   Coord. 
> (ft)       Dia
> (in)  Segs        Insulation
>       Conn.      X       Y       Z     Conn.      X       Y      
> Z                         Diel C  Thk(in)
> 1       GND        0,      0,      0                0,      
> 0,     70      
> #14   1           1        0
> 2       GND       15,      0,      0              7.7,      
> 0,     33      
> #14   5           1        0
> 3       GND      -15,      0,      0             -7.7,      
> 0,     33      
> #14   5           1        0
> 4       GND        0,     15,      0                0,    
> 7.7,     33      
> #14   5           1        0
> 5       GND        0,    -15,      0                0,   
> -7.7,     33      
> #14   4           1        0 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sources: 
> 
> Wire #   % from E1   Phase 
> 
> 2                0                   0 
> 
> 3                0                  -90 
> 
> 4                0                  -90 
> 
> 5                0                 180 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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