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Re: [CQ-Contest] "?" not equal to "QRL?"

To: "'Mark Beckwith'" <n5ot@n5ot.com>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "?" not equal to "QRL?"
From: "Robert Naumann" <w5ov@w5ov.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:16:49 -0500
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>

Many of the people who are now active don't have the background that many of

us 'OT's (no pun intended) do of coming up through the traffic handling
ranks where the didit dit method was learned back in the last millennium.

I think that the use of a ? (dididadadidit)is not a bad substitute as it
always elicits a didadididit (wait prosign, 'AS') from me - regardless of
the reason it was sent. It's shorter than QRL and will QRM the guy I'm
trying to hear somewhat less.

I think the problem is mainly that no one seems to know what didadididit
(AS) means anymore. Simply, it means wait and don't transmit until I tell
you to.

It also seems that many of these newer hams (they're not younger - just more
recently licensed) tune around looking for a clear frequency with their 250
Hz (or narrower) filters switched in, along with several DSP stages dialing
their receive bandwidth down to a few Hz. They need to learn to open that
receiver up and hear what is going on around them. 

A lot of the "logging people working someone else" phenomena that is blamed
for a lot of NIL penalties could be avoided by listening +/- only a few
hundred Hz or so, for a few seconds before calling a CQ - or QRMing ongoing


Bob W5OV

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Beckwith [mailto:n5ot@n5ot.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:01 PM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "?" not equal to "QRL?"

> I think the "?" has become the de facto standard
> of asking if the frequency is in use.

This is news to me.  I think it has become the "de facto standard" for 
*some* people.  K8CC's post, echoed below, pretty much says it all.  MAny 
ops are skipping past the "listen" part and going straight to the "transmit"


Mark, N5OT
K8CC said:

Any of these methods (QRL?, ?, IE) still require common sense and
courtesy.  Many ops act like as long as they send one of these, unless
they get some raving lunatic response they have established their right
to the frequency.

I've had people sent "QRL?" less than a second after I just finished
sending a contest CQ  - come on, that's not at all reasonable.  How many
times have you been in the middle of a QSO when somebody blows in with a
loud "dit-dit-dah-dah-dit-dit" and you know they're going to start
pressing the F1 key within the next few milliseconds?

If you want to be "courteous", and have a "legitimate" claim to use a
frequency in a contest, the right thing to do is to listen for a short
time first, then send your preferred query more than once, with a
reasonable amount of time for any station to react.  If you don't hear
anything, then you can proceed with confidence.  If somebody comes back
from the bathroom and wants their frequency back, that's too bad.

I've started trying to do this because I hate being the bad guy in a
frequency battle.  Yes, your heart stops beating while you're listening
on an (apparently) empty frequency hoping nobody will send, but it's the
right thing to do.



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