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Re: [CQ-Contest] Public access to logs

To: "'Joe Subich, W4TV'" <w4tv@subich.com>, <KI9A@aol.com>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Public access to logs
From: "Sandy Taylor" <ve4xt@mts.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:02:22 -0600
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So because one organization, who has control over nobody but those who enter
its award program, decides on one rule, the rest of amateur radio must bend
to its will?

I doubt even the ARRL would agree with that idea.

It's interesting that some would ascribe sinister motives to CQ's decision.

CQ is not violating the rules of DXCC because CQ is not entering the DXCC
program. Only those who submit application to the DXCC program are bound by
DXCC rules.

Perhaps CQ sees itself in competition with the ARRL and does not wish its
contests to be used to further ARRL awards? We certainly understand why
Verizon doesn't give free phones to AT&T customers, don't we?

Be all this as it may, is the debate not pointless until ARRL weighs in on
whether CQ publishing WW logs invalidates WW contacts for DXCC credit? And,
shouldn't the complaints be directed toward CQ, with the ultimate protest of
voting with your feet being the main weapon? Or maybe it's ARRL that needs
to be flexible. Or perhaps both organizations should be chided for not
playing well together.

If you don't feel strongly enough about this to employ the ultimate protest,
why are we even having this discussion?

73, Kelly
Ve4xt

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:w4tv@subich.com] 
Sent: March-02-08 12:24 AM
To: 'Sandy Taylor'; KI9A@aol.com; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Public access to logs


> Not sure I get this comment: Just what, exactly, is CQ trying 
> to "get away with"?

To violate the rules of DXCC.  

> CQ does not answer to the ARRL. And I can think of no law or 
> regulation, that CQ is obliged to obey, forbidding the 
> publication of logs.

CQWW is a DX contest ... the first, and preeminent DX awards 
program is DXCC.  It certainly looks like CQ does not care 
about anything beyond their little "world" at best or are 
intentionally trying to damage DXCC at the worst. 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy Taylor [mailto:ve4xt@mts.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:31 AM
> To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; KI9A@aol.com; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Public access to logs
> 
> 
> That's exactly why all of my eQSL cards explicitly state "not 
> valid for any award."  It takes a little common sense rather 
> that trying to "get away with something" like CQ is doing.  
> 
> Not sure I get this comment: Just what, exactly, is CQ trying 
> to "get away
> with"?
> 
> CQ does not answer to the ARRL. And I can think of no law or 
> regulation,
> that CQ is obliged to obey, forbidding the publication of logs.
> 
> 73, Kelly
> Ve4xt
> 
> 
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