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Re: [CQ-Contest] Is it time to reevaluate CQWW (2pts analisys)

To: "'Felipe J Hernandez'" <fhdez@islandnetjm.com>, "'Albert Crespo'" <f5vhj@orange.fr>, "'David Kopacz'" <david.kopacz@aspwebhosting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Is it time to reevaluate CQWW (2pts analisys)
From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:38:16 -0700
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Maybe V47NT spent a bit too much time focusing on the US?  Would that not be
a strategy that one must consider? 


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-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Felipe J Hernandez
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:46 AM
To: Albert Crespo; David Kopacz
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Is it time to reevaluate CQWW (2pts analisys)

This is how the scores would look on a perfect world 2 pts per Q..

Perhaps we can confirm the assumptions of the previous posts or still feel
that the scoring is unfair.


 Standing  New standing Old rank 
       1 EF8M 
     V47NT #2    NA 
      2 V47NT 
     CR2X #7    Eu 
      3 CR3E 
     EF8M #1   Af 
      4 8P5A 
     8P5A #4  NA 
      5 ZS4TX 
     CR3E #3  Af 
      6 P49Y 
     NP4Z #11  Na 
      7 CR2X 
     ZS4TX #7 AF 
      8 6W1RW 
     VY2TT #9  Na 
      9 VY2TT 
     P49Y #6 Sa 
      10 4L0A 
     VE2IM #13 NA 
      11 NP4Z 
     4L0A #10 AS 
      12 ZC4T 
     6W1RW #8  AS 
      13 VE2IM  ZC4T 
      #12 NA

     

Interesting Ah? these are my remarks on the exercise:

  a.. Top 5, 2 AFrica, 2 NA and one Europe.

  a.. v47nt on top like it should, he was the better op in all respects
  b.. CR2X great operator in a well engineered stn from 7 to #2 a deserved
spot
  c.. EF8M Third. skilled operator from an advantaged location
  d.. 8P5A a great op, Fair spot (he will win very soon)
  e.. CR3E super op but with station not fully developed like Cr2X
  f.. Np4z went from 11 to 6.. with a morale boost Hi Hi
  g.. zs4tx on 7 th place previously on 5th with an incredible score from S.
africa
  h.. VY2TT Amazing score from so hi up in NA.. good stn good op
  i.. p49y good operator but with limited experience on ww
  j.. VE2IM close to vy2tt, like it should, good ops with good loc in NA
  k.. 4L0A What to say, another amazing score from Dick and rounding the
top 10
  l.. 6w1RW good op,  on good location but with very limited low bands
antennas
  m..  ZC4T good op at a good loc with very small antennas Without having
significant prescence from Europe like other years is a little harder to see
how they would have played this year, having the likes of BLE, GI0KOW, Oe2s,
and other big European SO would have made it even more interesting surely
wished that Es5TV and 4O3A would have operated SO AB  unassisted.
Good representation of the different continents still with 2 pts scoring.

Anyone to analize the multi ops or other point structure?

Felipe
NP4Z




  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Albert Crespo
  To: David Kopacz
  Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
  Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Is it time to reevaluate CQWW Scoring Rules?


  At least 95% of EF8DM's QSOs were worth 3 points, compared to  V47NT in
  which perhaps 40 %of his QSOs  were with NA and only worth two points.
V47NT
  (N2NT) decided to operate from a location he does not live as did RD3F.
For
  whatever strategy reasons  they decided on in being in these QTHs, they
  produced great scores.
  In 1983, WA6VEF at AI6V won    CQWW SSB SOAB.  Miracles do happen, but
that 
  was when there were lots of JA's to work. That could never happen today
with
  the shift in active ham populations from JA to Europe. Still a great feat,
  but one would never today try to repeat from California.
  Africa is a long ways from the USA where a great percentage of the ham
  population is located.  160 meter QSOs from the Caribbean into W6/W7 land
  are quite common, not so with Africa. That is why the point difference.
  The only fair scoring is what is used in the 160 meter  Stew Perry
Contest,
  and that will never happen in CQWW.

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "David Kopacz" <david.kopacz@aspwebhosting.com>
  Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:32 PM
  To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
  Subject: [CQ-Contest] Is it time to reevaluate CQWW Scoring Rules?

  >
  > What's wrong with this picture?
  >
  > EF8M(RD3AF)       7374   131   409    48 11,888,100
  > V47NT(N2NT)       7402   135   457    48 11,231,424
  >
  > Let's see, V47NT has more Q's more zones and significantly more
  > countries, but a lower score!
  >
  > So basically, he out-performed EF8M in all aspects and still loses.
  >
  > I think it's time for an evaluation of the scoring rules.
  >
  > What do you think?
  >
  > David ~ KY1V
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