The older you get the less you like change....It is called getting set
in your ways and afflicts many that I don't consider old yet.......
Mike W0MU
J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011 CQ WW DX CW
W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
On 9/29/2011 7:25 AM, Luc PY8AZT wrote:
> Jorge,
>
> You are right. Contesting is getting older, just like many contesters.
> I can not understand why changing is so hard for CQWW guardians.
>
> It's clear we have two kinds of "clients" on the game.
> - The casual contesters
> - The serious contesters
>
> Those clients demands are different. There is no one big enough
> umbrella to cover them all.
>
> Casual needs be stimulated to get into the game, there is no cheater
> on this group. Just innocent players. If a casual contesters cheat
> there is no impact on the results.
>
> The serious contesters group is where all honorable and disgusting
> operators are. How to spot how is how on the game? Harder rules. And
> stronger/painful punishments for those trying to make the Top 5 by
> breaking/blending the rules.
>
> Bottom of line: with one simple rule for all, we are penalizing casual
> Ops and let the cheater have fun on contests.
>
> 73, Luc
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> WRTC.2010 Brazilian Team Leader
> PY8AZT (also PT7AG, PX8C, ZZ8Z, ZY7C)
> LABRE, ARRL, CWJF& Fortaleza DX Group Member
>
>
>
> 2011/9/28 Jorge Diez - CX6VM<cx6vm.jorge@gmail.com>:
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> that´s because the rules still have points that where good 40-50 years
>> ago!...
>>
>> now you don´t need to wait more than 2 days to send the log.
>>
>> Some contest like Russian (RDXC), are improving the rules:
>>
>> 12.1 Logs must be submitted to the contest sponsors within 14 days after the
>> end of the contest
>>
>> 12.2 An applicant aiming for a spot in the "Top 3" list of any contest
>> category (paragraph 3, 3.3) must submit his logs within 36 hours after the
>> end of the contest.
>>
>>
>> Top of the line is WRTC. how many days the teams have to send his logs? they
>> are not correcting the logs, sending emails to check the exchanges,
>> listening for recording files, etc. This is not contest, this is not
>> ethic!...
>>
>> 73,
>> Jorge
>> CX6VM/CW5W
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] En nombre de Joe
>> Enviado el: Miércoles, 28 de Septiembre de 2011 12:17 a.m.
>> Para: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was: =>RE:
>> Chea
>>
>> I have a question it is at the bottom after this exchange.
>>
>> On 9/27/2011 6:40 PM, w5ov@w5ov.com wrote:
>>> KQ2M Wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2nd situation:
>>>>
>>>> Op A is tired before the contest and decides to tape record everything
>>> and write it down after the contest, rather than keep a computer log
>>> during the contest. No other person helped him with the tape recording
>>> or transcription functions before or after the contest. Is this allowed
>>> in the SO Unasisted category?
>>>
>>> Short answer: No.
>>>
>>> Explanation: This is a trick question because transcribing the contest
>>> after the contest is not allowed in any category. The logging must be done
>>> during the contest period - the contest ends at 23:59z. If he can
>>> transcribe 48 hours of a contest before that contest ends, fine. But, to
>>> do what you suggest would extend the contest period past the 48 hours.
>>> This has been tried in the past and it is not OK to do so. It also has
>>> nothing to do with being assisted.
>>>
>>>> Would the answer be any different if the transcription from tape to
>>>> computer log took place during the contest as opposed to after the
>>> contest is over?
>>>
>>> Yes and it would be OK if completed by 23:59z as I said above.
>>>
>>>> Would the answer be different if another person performed the
>>>> transcription from tape to computer log before or after the contest?
>>> Yes, the answer would be different, but in this situation, it would be
>>> multi-op if done before 23:59z, and not permitted after the contest.
>>>
>>>> I'm really interested in the answers to these questions. I don't recall
>>>> seeing them asked and answered on the reflector before. Tnx& 73
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> Bob Shohet, KQ2M
>>> I hope these answers help.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Bob W5OV
>> Been contesting since the early 70's when everything was paper logs and
>> dupe sheets. Back then it was common practice for after a contest was
>> over, to re write the logs over.
>> Reason?
>>
>> During the heat of the contest peoples penmanship can get pretty bad.
>> They can easily read their own writing, but others would have a hard
>> time if at all, so many would re write the contest so the log then was
>> clear and legible.
>>
>> Nothing was changed or fixed, but the horrid penmanship that was
>> readable only by the original writer, was rewritten so anyone could
>> understand it.
>>
>> Would this be a legal thing to do? I know it was very common practice.
>>
>> If it was NOT legal to do and you had to send in your logs as is, then
>> why did contests have such a HUGE window to get your logs mailed in?
>>
>> If you were not to re write them and only send in the originals, why did
>> most contests have like a 2 month window to get them mailed in. Why so
>> long?
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>>
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