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Re: [CQ-Contest] Cheating

To: w5ov@w5ov.com, CQ-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Cheating
From: Jimk8mr@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:18:39 -0400 (EDT)
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If SDR recordings, or other means, prove the multiple signals operation,  
would that be appropriate grounds for disqualification?
 
If so, would that disqualification disqualify the operators from WRTC 2014  
eligibility?
 
 
73  -  Jim    K8MR
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2012 2:34:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
w5ov@w5ov.com writes:

I would  have to disagree on this and support KR2Q's suggestion.

This forum is  the appropriate peer group - we're nearly 100% amateur  radio
contesters.

In contrast, publishing the callsign of these  scoundrels in a letter to
the editor of QST might be correctly considered a  public forum, but this
email list is not.

Name names (callsigns), I  say!

de W5OV


> I wouldn't be inclined to identify the  station publicly (this time) but
> rather submit my evidence to the  sponsor of the contest.
>
> "Peer pressure" and "public  humiliation" are not synonymous terms.
>
> 73, de Hans,  K0HB
>
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 5:34 AM,  kr2q@optimum.net wrote:
>
>> Well, in every aspect of life,  there have been, are, and always will be
>>  cheaters.
>>
>> Two big elements (historically) that  motivate cheating are (a) others do
>> it so I need to
>>  cheat as well in order to maintain a level playing field (HA!) and  (b)
>> What is the risk of getting
>>  caught?
>>
>> For ham radio events, there is a subset of  (b)....if I get caught, will
>> the contest sponsor
>>  actually take any action?
>>
>> As we all know, there are  some contests where "nobody ever gets DQed."
>> Maybe one of  "those"
>> has very recently changed for a single entrant.  A  move in the right
>> direction.
>>
>> Many decades  ago (and definitely NOT the case today or even recently),
>> the WPX  contest was
>> simply a joke in terms of log checking. The claimed  score always = final
>> score.  At the time,
>> when  questioned about the lack of checking, the reply was, "This isn't
>>  that kind of contest."
>> Really?  Clearly, that wrong attitude  was fixed ages ago now.
>>
>> So in consideration of "I wish  they would do the right thing," that
>> really depends in  great
>> part on the sponsor taking action.
>>
>>  Also, I get your point, but I would say that 99.9% honesty is a  bit
>> optimistic.  In a contest
>> with, say, 7000 log  entries, do you really think there are only 7 guys
>> breaking the  rules?  Or
>> maybe you distinguish between "breaking the rules"  and intentional
>> "cheating."
>>
>> Finally, at  least for me, a big part of honesty and integrity and peer
>>  pressure.  I don't know
>> why you have not listed the callsign  of this station.  I think it would
>> do tremendous  good.
>> Hopefully, if they don't "fall on their sword," after your  admonition,
>> you will then feel
>> compelled to reveal  their identify.  I'm sure someone has an SDR
>> recording of the  contest
>> that would clearly demonstrate two signals at  once.
>>
>> Thanks for bringing this to light!  We need  more of the same from
>> others.
>>
>> de Doug  KR2Q
>>

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