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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Antw: Re: Antw: Re: Remote contest operation
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:07:05 -0600
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It is a real shame that we seem to have a "Ruling Class" in ham radio too where only the self proclaimed rulers opinions matter.

I guess the continued threads filled with shortsightedness and me me me is just a reflection of the world we live in.

I am just short of 50 years of age and have been licensed since I was 12 or 13. The state of curmudgeon-ness in this hobby is disgusting.

This hobby is about change, advancing the communications spectrum and remote operation is at the leading edge. We gave up spark gap, AM (for the most part) DSB and many other forms of communication and we are doing just fine. I guess all those new data modes are not really ham contacts either because some computer is pulling out tiny pieces of signals from pure noise, right. These modes and programs are truly amazing. They also ticked off the old school EME guys because now almost anyone can do EME. Instead of being happy that they can now work more people they are upset. Why?

Remote radio and contesting is here to stay. Just like packet, just like digital data modes, etc.

The folks putting class remote stations together should be congratulated along with those pushing the hobby into new and exciting areas. It is not easy. There are huge hurdles to overcome. Thanks for doing it and getting on the air!

There are a couple of major trolls on this reflector. They literally add nothing positive to the discussions and bash bash bash. I suggested in an earlier thread to stop feeding these people and they will go away. These guys just get on upsetting people. Ignore them.







On 4/16/2013 5:37 AM, M. WIJK wrote:

Op 04/16/13, "C. \"Fred\" Johnson"  <fredwt2p@gmail.com> schreef:
Ladies and Gentlement of CQ-Contest:

Excuse my anger,

Better leave that home.
And my apologies if my expression affects you in any way.
I have absolutely no reason to undermine your expertise and respectable work.
I just think differently about the radio game part.


I guess the relatively young constesters who came up with this (remote ops); 
EI5DI, aren't real operators.

We contest a lot.
 From May till september we spent experimenting, testing and upgrading our 
station(s). Be it at home, our remote station(yes we also own one) or at our 
clubstation.
 From october till end of may we are active at different stations. As an 
operator, at times as designer/tester/builder only.
It doesn't make us a "better or lesser" HAM radio operator, or "man" (please 
stop using that kind of expression) this is a FUN hobby.

Yesterday I checked and verified if my expression perhaps was too far 
off-centered.
Certainly there is freedom of speech, although you need to relativate ones own 
opinion somehow. Being outspoken is not always appreciated, we Dutch are way 
overdoing that too often, I know.
But I strongly believe it IS important to show another view every now and then.

The first two HAM ops I talked to (from two different EU countries) told me 
they strongly agree on my full opinion.
(let me put that short again: admire remote operating; greatly respect all 
inventive work, but disagree the remote use during contesting)
Both hams are active in many contest, either at home or at different 
clubstations. They participated in 5 contests this year only.
Yesterday evening I spoke to a ham who is a regular op at one of the most 
succesfull MM stations in Europe and he stated: operating your remote station 
via the internet during contests is currently allowed, but it should be put in 
a different separate category.


. But.. apparently doing that makes me less of a "man" in this "hobby":

Sorry if comments make you feel that way.
Maybe it is because off centered opinions aren't that much appreciated?
And yes, sometimes comments are moving the wrong direction.
No need to debate it to death/ feed it endlessly, points usually are already 
made.
I would rather visit and see your great efforts and then discuss my opinion 
over a beer.

Not "man(woman) enough:"
-Compete
-Build a station
-- Overcome said obstacles of building a remote station in a BIG A** CITY
-Keep it interesting in the day and age of other things that keep people 
interested.

Much appreciate the work done.
I have seen soo much progress these last few years. In fact the lecture (want 
the powerpoint?) on remote site operation (RX only) via the internet I gave a 
few times is waaaayyyyy outdated by now.
I could not keep up with all things happening and the amount of new info from 
the internet, so I stopped doing it. Technical progress is a fine thing!
That also is a big FUN part in our hobby.


I applaud the CQWW committee for the Extreme category. It *had* my mind racing 
of how things can be done given the TOOLS available to us now.

Yes,that is a very good decision!

  Reading your posts makes me think that it's otherwise, that we are always 
just going to be second class operators. Fine.

No-way-Jose.
Please continue to enjoy remote operating.
Let others opinions' not stop you from having fun.



You know what? Keep your "no lids and space cadets" thing going. Soon, the ham bands will 
die out and you will not have anything (or anyone) left to have "pure RF conversations" 
on. And I, as a formerly fervent ham radio operator, will cheer the day it happens.


73 and GL,
WT2P
"PROUD REMOTE OPERATOR"

In case anyone does not understand the principle of our shared opinion here on 
'No remote operating during contest' please keep asking. Sure there are more 
who share this opinion who can explain.
For me there's no reason to continue this when I see this discussion slowly 
going south.
Please enjoy your way of contesting, whichever way that may be.

73 Mark, PA5MW
...-.-
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