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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] PJ4G ARRL DX SSB Recording by N2IC
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:32:05 -0600
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Jeff,

Thanks for the comments. I agree with your interpretation of the rules, I don't like that it is allowed and like many have asked the ARRL to close this loophole.

Many believe that if everyone adopted this philosophy that the band would be a mess. People would have a very difficult time finding a place to CQ unless you were a big gun etc.

73 and thanks for all the contacts from everywhere!

W0MU


On 3/12/2017 9:56 PM, Jeff Clarke wrote:
N2IC wrote :

Listen to 21345.4 and 21237.1 at the same time.

Falls under the "what is not specifically prohibited is allowed" rule ?

And

For those that missed it....

http://www.kkn.net/~n2ic/PJ4G.mp3 <http://www.kkn.net/%7En2ic/PJ4G.mp3>

21345.4 on one audio channel, 21237.1 on the other audio channel.




Sorry for the late reply to this but after reading the comments on Steve's post and the replies I felt the need to comment on this.

Some background...

K4BAI and myself have been operating from the PJ4G station as PJ4A for CW contests since the mid -2000's. A few years ago the club started using a remote receive antennas a good distance away from the transmit antennas. Two short towers - one pointed to the USA with a tribander and a SAL loop at the same location. There is also a EU receive site with a tribander pointed to Europe and also a EU beverage. Because these receive antennas are connected via coax they are legal within the rules for both the ARRL and CQWW contests. In fact W4PA has visited us several times during their PJ4Q trips for CQWW DX CW and has never made a comment that this wasn't within the rules. This answers the question some people had on how you can have two stations on the same band without much interference.

The 2nd point : Maybe N2IC is confusing the ARRL DX rules with those of CQWW ? Alternating CQ's on the same band are prohibited in CQWW contests but not in ARRL contests.

CQWW Rules :

Only one signal on a band is allowed at any time. When two or more transmitters are present on the same band, a hardware device MUST be used to prevent more than one signal at any one time. Alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on a band is not permitted.

ARRL Rules:

I looked at the ARRL DX rules and the HF General Contest Rules and I don't see anything that prohibits alternating CQ's on the same band. I don't think the comment W3LPL made about ARRL DX is correct... or I'm missing finding it in the rules.

The only ARRL contest that has this rule is IARU for Multi_Single entries :

*4.3.2.1. *Alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on the same band is not permitted.

Note : 1.2.General Rules for HF and VHF contests take precedence over General Rules for all contests.


http://www.arrl.org/arrl-dx
http://www.arrl.org/general-rules-for-all-arrl-contests
http://www.arrl.org/general-rules-for-arrl-contests-below-30-mhz

PJ4G was Multi-Multi so the only rule that would apply to them is :

*2.3.3.Multioperator Multi-transmitter:*

*2.3.3.1. *A maximum of one transmitted signal per band at any given time.

There are lockout devices at the PJ4G station. The 2nd in-band radio shares the same amplifier and antenna as the run station. There is a device (I think Ameritron makes it?) that allows you to use an AL1200 with two radios and isolates one when the other transmits. So it would be impossible for them to have two signals on the same band at the same time.


Jeff KU8E / PJ4A team






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