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Re: [CQ-Contest] Online Scoreboards

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Online Scoreboards
From: "Jeff AC0C" <keepwalking188@ac0c.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 10:38:53 +0800
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I understand these arguments but personally do enjoy the online scoreboard.

There is one guy in PA who always beats me and who runs the online score board which I appreciate. It's fun to keep an eye on our two scores as the contest progresses because it tells me how far the lead horse in the race is. That adds another aspect of enjoyment to the contest for me although due to my QTH disadvantage and his superior skill/experience I almost never see my call listed higher than his on the board. Some would say that I merely enjoy torturing myself knowing I can't win and the scoreboard is a constant reminder of that fact. ha ha.

I don't think that there is any practical way to regulate sufficiently to prohibit those who are wanting to cheat, at least with any real efficiency. Whatever limitations are officially imposed, there are going to be guys who are going to find ways around that. Some techniques would be called outright cheating by others - and other questionable methods that can be argued as exploiting the holes in the rules. Can't say I can think of a time where the scoreboard prompted me to do something I was otherwise not doing. The "joy" of living in the black hole here is that whatever is working for a leader on the coast has little correlation to what's happening locally as witnessed by the Feb RTTY NAQP where the coasts can work each other on the high bands and here in KS 10/15 are almost always dead save for some top-of-the-cycle times.

So it's just like the DXCC assists from buddies enjoy with the help of some guys via telephone or chat or whatever. At the end of the day, when you look at your accomplishments, you know personally exactly what you did (or did not) do to achieve it. And the extent one fellow will go to get the Q/mult/score/etc will vary with the next fellow.

There have been a couple of times in the last cycle where I managed to collect a win of one category or another but those are the rare exception. And I suppose if I were a top contender for the national win every year maybe I would be more upset about some other guy being able to get some under-table assistance one way or another so maybe I can't appreciate what the big boys feel. The bottom line from my perspective is that the online scoring adds to the enjoyment of the sport and it's not diminished by knowing that some of the contenders are exploiting some advantage or another. I'm sure the guys motivated to cheat will find plenty of ways to cheat if they want and the presence or the absence of the online scoreboard is not going to affect that at all. A guy who wants to cheat will. So why worry about it? Just focus on doing my best, trying to enjoy the activity to the maximum I can, and see what the box scores end up when they are eventually posted.

73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie

-----Original Message----- From: k2ttt
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:58 AM
To: Dale Putnam ; Victor Androsov
Cc: sawyered@earthlink.net ; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Online Scoreboards



FRC has done this for years in the club chat room during a test, however, if you are single op there is the danger of the "inadvertent " passing of information from non single op stations.


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-------- Original message --------
From: Dale Putnam <daleputnam@hotmail.com>
Date: 7/23/17  6:23 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: Victor Androsov <victor.androsov@gmail.com>
Cc: sawyered@earthlink.net, cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Online Scoreboards

So many that it won't make any difference since "everyone does it" no one will care. Right? That is the entire idea of making that feature. So much for ethics..... have fun guys.

Make this a great day
Dale

On Jul 23, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Victor Androsov <victor.androsov@gmail.com> wrote:

Ed,

I guess would be not more vs other Internet messengers. There is no
communication tools on that room page. The private room is for personal
competition. Noting more. It's for contesters who wouldn't reveal personal
score to others. I know a lot of them. )))

73!

Victor
VA2WA/ VA2WDQ


On Jul 23, 2017 1:11 PM, "Ed Sawyer" <sawyered@earthlink.net> wrote:

Sounds like the "dark web" of contesting emerging. I wonder how many ESP Qs
and mult moves will happen in the "Private room".



Ed  N1UR



We have launched new Contest Online Score version having a new amazing
option - Private room. Any user can create a Private room and join friends
by sharing a PIN code. No one from outside can see private room members
score while lucky private room members could easily switch between View -all
(room members plus others ) and Private View (the only private room
members). It's absolutely new feature. I've never heard about something else
before. Please help us with testing and debugging it. Any feedback really
appreciated!



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