This is where I think people end up overthinking it. True "fairness" is just
not going to happen in any contest, ever. The closest you can get to it is
something like WRTC, and that isn't feasible (or likely real enjoyable) for
normal operation. I think this group mostly consists of folks who are either
serious competitors, or at the very least, highly interested in contesting on a
regular basis. We obsess on the details, because they are the difference
between being competitive and just "being in the game." There is also a gap
between NA and EU/AS, because I *think* most EU/AS contesters came out of a
culture of "radiosport" rather than an all around hobby. We also obsess on
cheating, which, we have to do the best we can to limit it, without letting it
dictate how the non cheaters do things.
The equation for me is all about ..maximum fun and maximum participation.
Again, I know this doesn't matter or even make much sense in EU/AS because "use
all tools available" has been the way since Day 1. It is a bigger deal in NA,
where
A) the group of contesters is somewhat older
B) We have contests like SS where the Unassisted categories can be more
competitive than the unlimited ones.
Long way of saying, I don't see how having Unassisted categories and even
promoting them hurts anyone or could decrease participation/fun in any way.
They are important to a lot of folks here, and it gives a much easier path for
the casual guy/gal to "get in the game." Getting the details correct matters,
but really, we all know what "A boy and his radio(s?)" means. I'm guessing 90
pct of active Hams operate that way. It is a category "for the rest of us,"
which doesn't mean there won't be huge differences between capabilities in that
category. What matters is that it is fun for them. Yes, it opens up another
level of potential cheating. Not doing it because of that is silly.
73
Steve KL7SB
p.s. The one exception to any "Boy and His Radio" rule is Tim N3QE. Yes I
know he'd qualify. Yes, I know he is legit. He's still "2 boys and a radio"
himself just by sheer talent :)
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of RT Clay
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:50 AM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
It depends:
A. #2 lives in W1. #1, #3 in CA. #2 beats both in a DX contest B. #2 lives in
AZ. #1, #3 in IL. #2 beats both in Sweepstakes
I hope everyone in this thread operates the NA Sprint coming up- that is a
contest where assistance makes no difference!
Tor
N4OGW
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On Fri, 8/17/18, Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Date: Friday, August 17, 2018, 9:31 PM
Yuri,
You really need to compare the
1) A boy with Flex 6600,
KT36XA (tribander) and dipoles and/or Inv. L's at 80'
OR
2) A boy
with Kenwood TS-830S, TA33jr at 40' and low dipoles.
WITH
3) Someone with multiple towers with mono-band yagis on 40-10 meters and
maybe a 4 square on 80 and a full size vertical or more on 160.
Of course #1
and #2 are close to being equal but neither of these are close to #3. Maybe
Google the calls that are near the top in the weekly CWT's, NS and NAQP and
you will find those who have the highest scores
have a station that would be more like #3.
But those that are stuck with
a station you
described for #1 and #2 are grouped into the same category
as #3. Is that really fair?
Bottom line is I think what
people are asking is that there should be a tri-bander/wires category so
those people in #1 and #2 don't have to compete directly again #3. I guess I
don't see what the big deal is to
add another category. Do you think it would be fair for a F1 race car to
compete again a NASCAR? It wouldn't even be close. You could use this
same analogy when comparing antennas.
Jeff
On 8/17/2018 07:49 PM, John Geiger wrote:
> Or a boy with his Icom 718 and a dipole, the most unfair of all.
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Yuri <ve3dz@rigexpert.net>
wrote:
>
>> Okay,
let's look at "A Boy And His Radio + Tribander / Wires" category.
>>
>> 1) A boy with Flex 6600, KT36XA
(tribander) and dipoles and/or Inv. L's at >> 80'
>>
>> competes with:
>>
>> 2) A boy with
Kenwood TS-830S, TA33jr at 40' and low dipoles.
>>
>> Looks
fair?
>>
>> Same
category.
>>
>>
I bet the TS-830 guy would cry about unfairness...
>>
>> Have a great
weekend, everyone.
>>
>>
>> 73 Yuri
VE3DZ
>>
>>
-----Original Message-----
>> From:
CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com]
On Behalf Of
>> Mark Bailey
>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 5:32
PM
>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
>>
>> Hi Steve:
>>
>> A boy and his
radio category may be a good idea "tribander/wires anyone), >> but I still
think we need to retain single operator categories which are >> played on the
radio and without the internet and AI programs/robots.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mark, KD4D
>>
>>
>>
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