" B) We have contests like SS where the Unassisted categories can be more
competitive than the unlimited ones."
If you look at the contest results, at least the ones printed in the QST
for the ARRL contests, the top scores in the unassisted categories are
almost always higher than the top scores in the assisted categories.
73 John AF5CC
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Stephen Bloom <sbloom@acsalaska.net>
wrote:
> This is where I think people end up overthinking it. True "fairness" is
> just not going to happen in any contest, ever. The closest you can get to
> it is something like WRTC, and that isn't feasible (or likely real
> enjoyable) for normal operation. I think this group mostly consists of
> folks who are either serious competitors, or at the very least, highly
> interested in contesting on a regular basis. We obsess on the details,
> because they are the difference between being competitive and just "being
> in the game." There is also a gap between NA and EU/AS, because I *think*
> most EU/AS contesters came out of a culture of "radiosport" rather than an
> all around hobby. We also obsess on cheating, which, we have to do the
> best we can to limit it, without letting it dictate how the non cheaters do
> things.
>
> The equation for me is all about ..maximum fun and maximum participation.
> Again, I know this doesn't matter or even make much sense in EU/AS because
> "use all tools available" has been the way since Day 1. It is a bigger
> deal in NA, where
>
> A) the group of contesters is somewhat older
> B) We have contests like SS where the Unassisted categories can be more
> competitive than the unlimited ones.
>
> Long way of saying, I don't see how having Unassisted categories and even
> promoting them hurts anyone or could decrease participation/fun in any
> way. They are important to a lot of folks here, and it gives a much easier
> path for the casual guy/gal to "get in the game." Getting the details
> correct matters, but really, we all know what "A boy and his radio(s?)"
> means. I'm guessing 90 pct of active Hams operate that way. It is a
> category "for the rest of us," which doesn't mean there won't be huge
> differences between capabilities in that category. What matters is that it
> is fun for them. Yes, it opens up another level of potential cheating.
> Not doing it because of that is silly.
>
> 73
> Steve KL7SB
>
> p.s. The one exception to any "Boy and His Radio" rule is Tim N3QE. Yes
> I know he'd qualify. Yes, I know he is legit. He's still "2 boys and a
> radio" himself just by sheer talent :)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> RT Clay
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:50 AM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
>
> It depends:
>
> A. #2 lives in W1. #1, #3 in CA. #2 beats both in a DX contest B. #2 lives
> in AZ. #1, #3 in IL. #2 beats both in Sweepstakes
>
>
> I hope everyone in this thread operates the NA Sprint coming up- that is a
> contest where assistance makes no difference!
>
>
> Tor
> N4OGW
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 8/17/18, Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Date: Friday, August 17, 2018, 9:31 PM
>
> Yuri,
>
> You really need to compare the
>
> 1) A boy with Flex 6600,
> KT36XA (tribander) and dipoles and/or Inv. L's at 80'
>
> OR
>
> 2) A boy
> with Kenwood TS-830S, TA33jr at 40' and low dipoles.
>
> WITH
>
> 3) Someone with multiple towers with mono-band yagis on 40-10 meters
> and maybe a 4 square on 80 and a full size vertical or more on 160.
>
>
> Of course #1
> and #2 are close to being equal but neither of these are close to #3.
> Maybe Google the calls that are near the top in the weekly CWT's, NS and
> NAQP and you will find those who have the highest scores
>
> have a station that would be more like #3.
> But those that are stuck with
> a station you
> described for #1 and #2 are grouped into the same category
>
> as #3. Is that really fair?
>
> Bottom line is I think what
> people are asking is that there should be a tri-bander/wires category so
> those people in #1 and #2 don't have to compete directly again #3. I
> guess I don't see what the big deal is to
>
> add another category. Do you think it would be fair for a F1 race car
> to compete again a NASCAR? It wouldn't even be close. You could use this
>
> same analogy when comparing antennas.
>
> Jeff
>
> On 8/17/2018 07:49 PM, John Geiger wrote:
> > Or a boy with his Icom 718 and a dipole, the most unfair of all.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Yuri <ve3dz@rigexpert.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Okay,
> let's look at "A Boy And His Radio + Tribander / Wires" category.
> >>
> >> 1) A boy with Flex 6600, KT36XA
> (tribander) and dipoles and/or Inv. L's at >> 80'
> >>
> >> competes with:
> >>
> >> 2) A boy with
> Kenwood TS-830S, TA33jr at 40' and low dipoles.
> >>
> >> Looks
> fair?
> >>
> >> Same
> category.
> >>
> >>
> I bet the TS-830 guy would cry about unfairness...
> >>
> >> Have a great
> weekend, everyone.
> >>
> >>
> >> 73 Yuri
> VE3DZ
> >>
> >>
> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:
> CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com]
> On Behalf Of
> >> Mark Bailey
> >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 5:32
> PM
> >> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
> >>
> >> Hi Steve:
> >>
> >> A boy and his
> radio category may be a good idea "tribander/wires anyone), >> but I
> still think we need to retain single operator categories which are >>
> played on the radio and without the internet and AI programs/robots.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Mark, KD4D
> >>
> >>
> >>
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