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Re: [CQ-Contest] QSO B4

To: "ktfrog007@aol.com" <ktfrog007@aol.com>, "n6ar@earthlink.net" <n6ar@earthlink.net>, "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] QSO B4
From: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@sbelectronics.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 10:56:22 -0500
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Ken, I agree with you for conventional contesting.  But the FT4/FT8 protocol 
needs a confirmation of acceptance programmatically AND the QSO time is not 
short and snappy like CW or SSB.  So I am not certain that approach is the best 
here.  

I will let the digi folks sort that out.

Sure sounds like a lot of stuff still to work out to make this mode "contest 
friendly".  Its DX prowess for weak signals is clearly where its shining for 
those inclined.

Ed  N1UR

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Subject: [CQ-Contest] QSO B4

4. Why not add one or two more message lines that are user programmable to the 
list immediately available so you don’t have to make multiple clicks. A “QSO 
B4” message and a selectable “TU; whatever” message for example.

The only use for a" QSO B4" message is if someone is repeatedly harassing you. 
Otherwise, either you or the other guy is mistaken and you should just go ahead 
and work them again.  No fuss.  If you don't, most likely you will lose points 
and reduce your score.
Concern about dupes is a leftover meme from long ago paper logging days.  It's 
time to drive a wooden stake through its heart.
73,Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Brockman <n6ar@earthlink.net>
To: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 206, Issue 39

On the FT4/FT8 protocols. Worked the FT4 DX Contest this weekend and noticed 
the following.
1. The feature that sends TU; N1XX 599 FL is almost worthless because you have 
to click on the next call in your cue while the screen is scrolling, and if you 
don’t get to it until after the screen is stable, there is not enough time for 
the message decode on the other end to assure that both stations got it. This 
messes up the protocol for both contacts.
2. Serial numbers are still a disaster. Most guys interleave calls to more than 
one station, so they send the same serial number to more than one person. I am 
never sure the logger gets it right.
3. I read all the comments on the protocol and the paper. But pardon my French, 
there is still a problem. A running station never sends the final 
acknowledgement of the RR73, and this confuses folks especially in weaker 
signal conditions. The current protocol for the running station should be 
changed to TU; CQ Test N6AR EL98; or, a feature should be added to click on two 
stations answering you after a CQ so that the software sends TU; XX 599 FL 
where XX is the second station in the cue at the end of the first QSO.
4. Why not add one or two more message lines that are user programmable to the 
list immediately available so you don’t have to make multiple clicks. A “QSO 
B4” message and a selectable “TU; whatever” message for example.
5. The software needs a dupe check.
6. There are probably 10 percent of the contacts that the software doesn’t log 
properly even when the information is there. It is difficult to fill in this 
info on the logging pop up and maintain any kind of rate.
7. We need multiple sub bands. Not an extension but a separately located second 
subband. It’s too crowded.

I could go on and on.  But FT4 and FT 8 will continue to be popular because of 
the fabulous situation awareness and low signal capability. So many DX stations 
out there are now workable from China and Brazil and all over.

73,
Larry N6AR


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> On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:00 PM, cq-contest-request@contesting.com wrote:
> 
>> Nonetheless, some operators, often casual
>> operators,

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