[KQ2M]>There will always be inequities in contest scoring and distance scoring
is one way of addressing them, but I think that points scoring based on auroral
path characteristics combined with distance might potentially be the fairest of
all.
Yes, I certainly agree with this. Auroral path characteristics should be an
essential part of any scoring scheme, which attempts to address lack of
fairness of the current system. The only feasible approach to this interesting
challenge that I see so far is using statistical data, perhaps from the open
logs, to characterize prevalence of contacts between different areas. The
number of contacts between areas divided by their contesting populations might
serve as a proxy for the difficulty of the contact.
Denis - K7GK
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of Bob Shohet, KQ2M <kq2m@kq2m.com>
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Subject: [CQ-Contest] Fw: Contest within a contest
2nd attempt.
Bob KQ2M
From: Bob Shohet, KQ2M
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 6:44 PM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest within a contest
Over the years, I have found that the greatest variability in path utility
comes not from the distance involved, but rather how much of that path passes
through the Northern auroral zone.
When geomagnetic cndx are quiet (A = 2 or less, K = 0) VE6JY and KL7RA can run
EU stations at EU sunrise on bands where I can’t even hear them. But when
cndx are disturbed ( A > 35 K > 4) they are in a “black hole” and I can still
work some EU (though with difficulty), but the Southern W5’s own the band.
And while K0SR might be equidistant from Europe compared to a Southern W5, his
path certainly isn’t equivalent.
There will always be inequities in contest scoring and distance scoring is one
way of addressing them, but I think that points scoring based on auroral path
characteristics combined with distance might potentially be the fairest of all.
73
Bob KQ2M
From: Denis Pochuev K7GK
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 5:39 PM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest within a contest
Tor,
Yes, inequities within the zones are a problem. I'm quite familiar with it,
though in a different context, having contested from the Pacific Northwest and
the Bay Area, both at the western edge of Zone 3. You simply cannot compete
with Arizona from any of those locations in a DX contest.
The main motivations for the scheme I proposed are the overlooked inequities in
distance-based scoring. Those are glaring. For instance, let's take Vienna as
the proxy for Europe, roughly in its geographical center, even though such
center is somewhere near the Slovak-Ukrainian border. Seattle, Dallas and Miami
are roughly equidistant from Vienna, using the great circle distance as the
measure. I think it's pretty obvious that the difficulty of a contact for those
3 paths varies greatly, pretty much regardless of the band.
One cannot assume that distance-based scoring will make things fair. It will
simply will replace one set of inequities with another.
Denis - K7GK/6
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of RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 8:50 AM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest within a contest
Denis,
I think your scoring scheme has a critical flaw: the points for each qso
depend on basically arbitrary zone boundaries, and the zone boundaries in some
cases divide up countries with lots of entries (like the USA). For example, a
station on the western edge of zone 5 would get 3 points for working Europe in
zone 14. A station one mile away in the eastern part of zone 4 gets 4 points
for the same contact.
The IARU contest also has this problem because of the 1 point/3 points for
same/different zones. I live in western zone 8 close to zone 7. There are many
more zone 8 stations active than zone 7 stations in IARU. If I was just a
little further west my score would go up significantly.
Tor N4OGW
On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 9:13:56 PM CDT, Denis Pochuev K7GK
<k7gk@hotmail.com> wrote:
I have outlined an alternative scoring proposal for CQWW quite some time ago in
our club's newsletter. It is mostly distance-based and doesn't require any
changes to the exchange or additional grid square information.
Details are here (pages 13-17): http://nccc.cc/jug/2016/07Jul2016.pdf
I would be interested to hear opinions about this scoring scheme.
73, Denis - K7GK/6
P.S. It still doesn't address the issue of the UBNs not being available to the
scorers of contest-within-contest.
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of Richard F DDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:53 AM
To: k5zd@charter.net <k5zd@charter.net>
Cc: ko7ss@yahoo.com <ko7ss@yahoo.com>; CQ-Contest Reflector
<cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest within a contest
WPX is kind of one of the only contests where you could do scoring on grid
locator. And even then, not so reliably. Behavior in contests is very
much points driven, and contesters make very strategic decisions based on
maximizing points. In WPX, 40 SSB from the midwest and east is a gold mine
when antennas are pointed towards EU. How you would score based on
distance could be quite different given that from New England, stations in
California aren't a heck of a lot closer than a station in the UK. But for
now, that UK station is worth 6 points versus 1 point for California.
73 Rich NN3W
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