Ria,
You totally missed the point. I never proposed that the ARRL (or CQ)
allow dual CQing on the SAME band. The fact is that this practice was
allowed in the ARRL DX contest up until about 5 years ago because it
wasn't addressed in the rules. Someone on this reflector called out a
well known contest station in the Caribbean who was doing dueling CQ's
on the same band in the ARRL DX SSB as to suggest they were cheating.
They weren't because they were taking advantage of a loophole in the
rules, like every competitive contester does. Someone who has a lots of
clout with the ARRL pointed out this inconstancy in their rules as
compared to other contests and the rule was changed the very next year.
If I'm not mistaken I believe this practice was also allowed in the CQ
contests for a long time before the rules were changed to ban it. The
examples I used in my comments were for a station doing dual CQs on two
DIFFERENT bands.
That being said I'm not proposing that 2BSIQ or SO2R be banned. It
should just be a separate category. The rational I'm using is the same
that was used to separate SOLP, SOQRP, SOA from the traditional SOHP
category in most contests. The same could be said for the Classic and
Tribander/Wire categories in the CQ contests. Think about this analogy
in motorsports. Would it be fair for a Formula One race car to compete
directly with a NASCAR. Those of you who follow auto racing know the
answer to that question. That's why all motorsports have different
formulas (i.e different racing series). It seems like some people seem
to think it's fair to group all single-operators together whether they
are using one radio or two. Having a 2nd radio to do dual CQs on
separate bands or to just look for stations/multipliers gives someone a
huge advantage just like using a spotting network as SOA does.
Jeff
On 6/2/2020 09:22 AM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
"The rules for ARRL contests prohibit dual CQing on the same band:"
This is also true for CQ sponsored contests. It is general rule IX 7.:
"Only one signal on a band is allowed at any time. When two or more
transmitters are present on the same band, a hardware device MUST be
used to prevent more than one signal at any one time. Alternating CQs
on two or more frequencies on a band is not permitted."
73
Ria, N2RJ
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 09:05, Richard F DDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff, I'm going to have to disagree with you. The fact of the matter is
that the current rules fully allow 2BSIQ operating. The rules of most all
contests for single operators state that only one transmitted signal is
allowed at one time. 2BSIQ operating fully complies with this
requirement. This is simply a progression of traditional SO2R operating.
SO2R is pretty common at stations these days, and the ability to do 2BSIQ
operating is simply an evolution of operator skill and practice - as
opposed to an additional hardware feature that is not available
to any ham.
Lets remember also that most all other categories are more than simply one
operator and one radio. Multi-single entrants often have three radios:
radio #1 that is running on one band, radio #2 that is picking off mults on
a second band, and radio #3 that is working in-band S&P on the same band as
radio #1. As long as there is only one transmitted signal and the rules
permit a mult hunter radio, there is again no rules violation. Multi-2
stations often have four radios.
The rules for ARRL contests prohibit dual CQing on the same band: "alternating
CQs on two or more frequencies using the same band and mode is prohibited."
The rules are absolutely silent on dual CQing on the same band, which
clearly implies that as the ARRL general rules specifically prohibit
in-band dual running, the rules contemplate two band running.
I personally am not up to nuff on 2BSIQ on CW. I can do it on SSB.
Probably because I havent practiced it enough. I will say for certain that
I have done some 2BSIQ on CW - but usually when one band is runnable and
when one band is just getting going. I find it to be a valid technique in
assessing which band is "hotter".
Could the rules be amended to expressly prohibit simultaneous "CQs"? Sure,
go ahead and try. I'm not sure how it really helps anyone.
73 Rich NN3W
On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:39 AM Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com> wrote:
I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are about 2BSIQ ? Do you think
it's fair to group those who operate this way in with a traditional
single-operator or should it (and SO2R) be a separate category? I've
found by looking at the 3830 claimed scores that those who do 2BSIQ come
close to doubling the score of everyone else.
There's also a technically in the rules for most contests that you
aren't really on a band unless you are transmitting. I just happened to
come across a video on YouTube of a well known contester who recorded
himself operating 2BSIQ. What he did is when he was operating on one
band and in the middle of a QSO he would be CQing on another band. So
he was basically doing a Multi-2 minus transmitting at the same time
with one operator and managing two pileups of stations calling him. Also
consider that if you are Multi-Single you're limited to how many QSY's
you can make on a 2nd radio while doing Single-Op SO2R there is no
limitation. Is that really fair? For M/S why not just allow unlimited
QSY's on your 2nd radio if you're only working multipliers on that
station. It would be pretty easy to for those checking your log to
validate this.
CQ kind of addresses these issues but why are the Classic rules
different between CQWW and CQ WPX? I want to operate more than 24 hours
in CQWW. There isn't anything classic about only allowing 24 hours in
CQWW. It's basically a category for old guys that can't do more than 24
hours anymore. Also why isn't there a Tribander/Single Element category
in CQWW? Plus this category in WPX says you can't use a receive
antenna. What's going on with that?
Why not make these categories consistent between all CQ sponsored
contests using the WPX definition of Classic and Tribander/Single Element ?
*CQWW Rules :*
/1. Classic Operator (CLASSIC): The entrant will use only one radio, no
QSO finding assistance, and may operate up to 24 of the 48 hours – off
times are a minimum of 60 minutes during which no QSO is logged. If the
log shows more than 24 hours of operation, only the first 24 hours will
be counted for the overlay score. The one radio must not be able to
receive while transmitting. Single Operator Assisted entries are not
eligible for this category./
*CQ WPX Rules :*
/1. Tribander/Single Element (TB-WIRES): During the contest an entrant
shall use only one (1) tribander (any type, with a single feed line from
the transmitter to the antenna) for 10, 15, and 20 meters and
single-element antennas on 40, 80, and 160 meters. Separate receiving
antennas are not permitted in this category./*
*
/3. Classic Operator (CLASSIC): The entrant will use only one radio, no
QSO finding assistance, and the one radio must not be able to receive
while transmitting. Operator Assisted entries are not eligible for this
category./
/
/
*ARRL DX Rules :*
The Multi-Single rules for ARRL DX are even worse. You have to take time
away from your run station to work multipliers on a 2nd band. But there
aren't any QSY limitations for a single-operator. So like the CQ
contests you can operate like a traditional multi-2 station in a CQ
contest without any limitations. ARRL - Why not add a Classic -
Tribander/Single Element category like CQ has?
/3.4.4 Band Changes. Single Transmitter and Two Transmitter sub-category
entries are limited to six (6) band changes per clock hour per
transmitter./
/
/
I hope those who operate 2BSIQ in contests don't take my comments
personally. I'm not against the technological advances we have in
contesting these days. I just think it's fair to those who don't have
the means to have all the equipment necessary to do this not be grouped
in with those who do.
Jeff KU8E
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