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Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast

To: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 21:18:43 +0100
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Steve,

<<<
1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>>

1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on  
reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail

73 de Dimitri F4DSK

Le 9 nov. 2021 à 20:42, à 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a écrit:
>1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>
>Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
>DX
>contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
>a
>rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>towards
>Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>experience to be humbling.
>
>73,
>Steve, N2IC
>
>
>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>and
>> form where it comes from :
>>
>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
>> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov
>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov
>>
>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>> meadow
>>
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 9 nov. 2021 à 04:13, à 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a
>écrit:
>> >You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>> >opening
>> >to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>> >virtually an
>> >endless supply of Europeans to work.
>> >Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>ops.
>> >However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
>> >for
>> >Nov 25:
>> >Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>> >Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>> >Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>> >Chicago, IL 1252Z
>> >
>> >Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>making 3
>> >QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
>is
>> >just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is
>also
>> >stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
>> >closes
>> >at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>> >
>> >Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>> >40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>time
>> >as
>> >the sun rises across EU.
>> >
>> >Barry W2UP
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a
>huge
>> >> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>> >mileage
>> >> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>> >Atlantic
>> >> ocean
>> >> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the
>Midwest
>> >as the
>> >> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>> >then
>> >> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in
>New
>> >> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>> >>
>> >> John KK9A
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>> >>
>> >> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>> >circle
>> >> path)
>> >> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>> >> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so
>it's
>> >> probably
>> >> just that he's the better/quicker op.  Nothing more.
>> >>
>> >> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East
>Coast/Midwest"
>> >stuff
>> >> going on here at all.
>> >>
>> >>
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