Let me offer a few quick points, in between meetings.
If you tell a neighbor that YOUR RFI problem is solved, but that you can't
speak for other frequencies such as police, fire, etc., I can't imagine any
real liability.
Another point is that in all of the grow light measurements I have made, the
noise levels in the AM broadcast band were also way above the FCC limits, so it
is not a misrepresentation to say that there is interference to AM radio.
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Benko
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:49 PM
To: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] ARRL to FCC...
Dave,
IMHO I think you post waaaaaaay too much!!!!!!
Remember when all is said and done, more is said than is done.
Larry
On 7/26/2014 5:08 PM, David Cole wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> I don't think I am being slightly paranoid at all. I think I am
> making a set of informed decisions, and seeking legal advice in making
> those decisions.
>
> I asked the lawyer a smiler question to your's, but with a very
> different emphases.
>
> You asked me "How are at risk of being sued for informing someone,
> especially a law-violator, that they are attracting attention by
> generating a nuisance in the community?" This question sets up a very
> restrictive set of conditions, and does not cover near enough area to
> be useful.
>
> I asked the lawyer a different question, one more designed to cover as
> much area as possible, and one the lawyer helped me ask-- I asked
> "How can I minimize my and the clubs risk in dealing with RFI issues,
> using this handout, and following what it says we will do. That sets
> up a set of conditions, which more accurately reflect reality,
> covering everything from home entry, to initial contact...
>
> By the way, as an aside, a lawbreaker can sue you too... The fact
> someone broke the law has nothing to do with anything... You can be
> sued because someone does not like the color of your hair...
>
> His answers were actually a bit of a surprise to me... Here is an
> example-- If you tell a person that they have now gotten rid of the
> RFI, and if at a later time, that person causes RFI on a different
> frequency, (because you only listened on 40 for instance, but he was
> also wiping out fire and ambulance), and the RFI is still wiping out
> Fire and Ambulance frequencies, (even if you did not know), and it
> costs them money, or worse yet, the ambulance fails to save someone,
> and RFI was involved, or they get sued, any number of people could
> then sue you for the costs involved in correcting the problem, or
> because someone died, and it will be because you advised them that
> they had no issue, and you were wrong. Now this is a rather extreme
> case, but there are lots of little ways to get in trouble when advising
> people...
>
> So... We inform of the problem, and that is really all we can do to
> minimize risk. The whole thing is much like the waving another driver
> forward in traffic law-- if you wave someone around you in traffic,
> and they hit a kid, or bike, or other object, you have very much
> increased your risk of becoming part of any lawsuit which may arise
> from that incident, and given you initiated the movement, (you waved
> them on), of the auto that struck and killed a child... Well... You
> get the picture...
>
> Please don't get the idea that I think all of this is good, it is not,
> but I must live in a world where this is possible, and so I deal with
> it by involving people that are trained in the craziness... Lawyers!
>
> I vehemently disagree with you in your presentation methods... You
> are suggesting I begin a process, which could turn litigious, by
> outright lying to the parties involved at the onset, by suggesting an
> AM broadcast radio is involved when one is not... Not for me... I am
> totally comfortable telling them I am an Amateur Operator, and that we
> need to correct a problem, using the least intrusive methods possible,
> but that we will get the problem corrected, even if it involves
> including the FCC.
>
> There are of course hundreds of ways to present this to the people
> involved, you should always present it in the most friendly, least
> obtrusive, kindest way possible. However sometimes that simply won't
> work. The goal is to make the RFI that is affecting me, or the ham
> that has asked me to help, go away. No one cares if they are grow
> lights, or if it touch lamps... The RFI though, must go away...
>
> Your thoughts about the power company not liking Hams is not what I
> have experienced here. Our power company is enlightened, I guess, I
> know I like them...
>
> A few months ago, they asked us to find a source for them... But that
> did not happen by accident, and we got lucky that the people at our
> power company are decent, and know their jobs. We took a very
> business like, but friendly, non contentious attitude to our power
> company, and asked them how we could deal with an ever increasing RFI
> issue in which the Power Company is getting blamed in error, and costing them
> money...
> We pointed out that by having an intercourse of ideas, we could save
> them money by reducing their truck rolls... It worked... And it
> saves them money, and it gets us faster service when we report
> something. I can think of at least three and maybe four truck rolls
> we have stopped this year simply by having the ham ask us first. We
> found the problem in the hams home...
>
> Three days ago, a fellow ham was about ready to call the power
> company, he called us first. We got his in-home RFI noise level down
> from 10 over S9, to S5, to S6, with the addition of maybe 15 ferrite's, and
> four
> hours of messing around in his house. That saved the power company a
> few hundred bucks. In turn, if we call them and ask that something be
> looked at, they respond almost instantly... Last call I made to them,
> there was a street lamp fluttering and making a ton of RFI... I
> reported it to them, and it was fixed two days later, and I got a call
> back from them, and email as well... We get along very well with our
> power company here... On the other hand we NEVER call them until we
> are SURE that the issue is theirs...
>
> Thank you for the tip on High-Times... I may look at that avenue.
>
> Anyway, thank you for the input, I will go off an dread the High-Times
> now... Never heard of them, but it will be interesting!
>
>
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