Too early, Wife is sound asleep, and I am listening to RFI... ;) Merry
Christmas back at you!! :)
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
On 12/25/22 07:24, Michael Martin wrote:
Merry Christmas to everybody
You guys need to get a life it's Christmas Day. I bet your spouses are
sitting there looking at you like, thinking the same thing I just typed!
Michael Martin
RFI Services
On Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:18 AM Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> wrote:
From
https://www.livescience.com/33039-why-do-mattresses-have-do-not-remove-tags.html
In the 1990s, in an effort to clear up the confusion, the tag's warning was
officially changed to "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law Except by the
Consumer."
73,
Steve, N2IC
On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 8:13 AM Dave (NK7Z) <dave@nk7z.net> wrote:
Hi Dale,
For the most part that is not going to work well... No matter how much
you talk to your next door neighbor if you interfere with their <insert
device name here>, it is almost always your fault in their minds...
The logic goes like this:
"I have a <insert device name here>, it works 99% of the time, but when
you transmit it does not work..."
How do you think most people are going to react to that situation... So
as Amateurs, we start out handicapped, because the consumer is not
educated in how RFI responsibility is parsed out. The consumer is sure
it is you, not them...
Now lets reverse the victim status...
The consumer installs a multi thousand dollar <insert device name here>:
"I paid thousands to to install this, and had professionals install
it... I bought it from a manufacturer we all know and love. It can't
be my equipment..."
Again-- education of the consumer is the driver here. If the consumer
is happy, and the system is in place, the Amateur is already behind the
8-Ball, and again, the Amateur is handicapped as a result of lack of
education on the consumers part, with regards to parsing RFI
responsibility.
This places an installer, or manufacturer, in the position of telling
the consumer that their newly installed multi thousand dollar widget,
may interfere with the amateur next door, and they, (the consumer), will
have to pay more to fix the issue...
Again, the consumer is going to whine about this state of affairs, and
neither the the manufacture, or the vendor, are going to tell the
consumer this, as they may lose the sale... Again, education issues for
the consumer, and maybe penalty's for the vendor if they don't tell the
consumer might help...
Until the consumer, not the Amateur, is directly affected by RFI, the
RFI nightmare we all live in, (if we are a city), will continue.
Part of the RFI "fix" MUST include education beyond the Part 15, or 18,
stickers on equipment to consumers... The consumer views these stickers
like the tags on mattresses that say "DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF
LAW", they are ignored, and removed, for the most part.
I really don't see how this will get solved in my lifetime... At 70, I
have perhaps 15 to 20, (if I am lucky), years left...
It will take that long just to cycle out most of the old gear, if a
mandate were to be put in place today.
I applaud the efforts of the ARRL, the only way to work this issue is to
educate everyone involved, and get standards in place...
Maybe the next generation of hams will see less RFI...
With regards to contracts... You are dead correct Dale!
I was lucky, I got my HVAC installer to put in his contract that if RFI
were to occur at a level I was not happy with, they would fix the issue,
or remove and replace the HVAC system. I doubt I could get that
concession again today... No RFI, occurred however, as we discussed
this with the vendor prior to install, (no PWM motors were used), and
the vendor contacted the manufacturer BEFORE starting on the project.
What next door neighbor is going to tell a vendor, you had better be
ready to charge me more, if the ham next door complains...
Consumers MUST be educated about RFI responsibilities, as part of an
overall fix, if RFI is to be reduced...
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
On 12/25/22 01:04, Dale wrote:
so it would seem that we hams try to work with our neighbors to
minimize
the problems from their systems
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