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Re: [TenTec] I need a Titan 525 Expert!

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] I need a Titan 525 Expert!
From: Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX <RMcGraw@Blomand.Net>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:32:34 -0500
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The PTT/VOX input on the rear of the Titan, when connected to ground should 
key the amp when the MODE switch is in PTT/VOX position.  Do this then apply 
drive from the exciter.  This should produce output or at least cause plate 
current to move upward.  Be sure there is a suitable antenna or load on the 
output of the amp.  If this works, then one may presume that the problem is 
likely in the QSK switching circuit of the amp.  If no output appears or no 
increase in plate current occurs then I'd suspect  the input switching relay 
to be at fault or the driver for the relay.  If plate current rises and no 
output appears, one can conclude that the input relay is good but the I'd 
suspect the output relay fault even though you "hear" the relays operate.

Now, if you are using a Tentec exciter, Omni, Paragon or such, it may be 
that the exciter is keying the amp in the QSK mode but the amp is not in 
sequence keying the exciter to produce drive.  It may be the control cable 
between the amp and the radio that is at fault.  This however most likely 
would cause he exciter not to produce output when the amp is off.  This is 
the same as not having the jumper in place between the TX OUT and TX EN on 
the back of the transceiver.

Here is a discussion on how the QSK sequence takes place.  When the PTT, VOX 
or CW key is activated on the transceiver a command (logic low) is generated 
at the TX OUTput jack of the transceiver.  This signal is connected to the 
KEY INput jack on the amp by one of two interconnect cables.  At this point 
the transceiver/exciter is not producing RF although the PTT or VOX or CW 
key is closed.  The KEY INput signal at the amp activates the switching 
circuit in the amp to transition from RX mode to TX mode.  And it sends a 
signal (logic low) slightly delayed via the 2nd interconnect cable back to 
the transceiver TX ENable.  It is this signal that activates the RF circuit 
in the transceiver/exciter to produce RF to excite the amp.    Without this 
loop through control and delay sequence there is great risk of causing the 
amp to "hot switch" which most likely will damage the amp RF circuit or 
output relay.

If you have questions.......ask.

73
Bob, K4TAX


>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Larry Groom<mailto:lgroom@frontiernet.net>
>  To: tentec@contesting.com<mailto:tentec@contesting.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:21 PM
>  Subject: [TenTec] I need a Titan 525 Expert!
>
>
>  My late model Titan amp has had a problem that at first would
>  show up seldom, but has now shown up regularly. It will not put
>  out power when the exciter is key down. I can hear the Vacuum relay
>  keying up, but there is no output. A friend tested the relay over 100 
> times
>  with no failure.
>  My question is this... Is it possible to bypass the circuit that senses 
> the
>  input RF and then allows the amp to key up? I would like to see if it
>  will work when PTT is grounded with the RF sensing circuit bypassed, thus
>  eliminating a possible trouble spot. I called Ten-Tec and they said 
> they'd
>  be happy to work on it, but that it could be a ton of things including 
> the
>  tubes
>  etc and I'd like to have an idea of what is wrong if I could. I wish the
>  problem
>  wasn't intermittant, that would help.
>
>  Thanks in advance for any help
>
>  73's Larry
> 


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