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Re: [TenTec] Digital (PSK31) Communications

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Digital (PSK31) Communications
From: "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:14:49 -0600
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You are most welcome.  Glad to be of assistance.

73
Bob, K4TAX


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Mackey" <kb9cqo@embarqmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Digital (PSK31) Communications


> Hello group,
>
> Thank you Bob/K4TAX. You said what I was trying to say in both of your 
> recent emails. Someone on the waterfall told me how to adjust my system, 
> and then gave me a report.
>
> I too watch the list for info that catches my interest. Thanks to those 
> that provide.
>
> 73 de Henry/n9hm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2008 12:41:08 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Digital (PSK31) Communications
>
> Agreed.  If the ALC light blinks either you have too much mic gain or too
> much signal from the sound card.  There should be NO ALC action for a good
> clean PSK-31 signal.
>
> With Tentec radios, when properly adjusted and with the correct level from
> the sound card, you should receive IMD reports during idle from the other
> station in the order of -25 to -30 dB.  If your IMD is higher than this,
> i.e. -20 to - 10 dB, then you have too much signal from the sound card or
> you are operating the transmitter at too high of power output.
>
> If you are not sure, ask a station that you are in contact with to give 
> you
> an IMD report. To do this you must not transmit data, just let the system
> idle without typing for 10 to 20 secs.  Have the other station let the
> software on the receiving end provide you a signal report.  If your IMD is
> high, then reduce the level from the soundcard or the interface device 
> that
> you are using.
>
> For a 100 watt radio, your power output should be 25 to 35 watts.  It all
> cases it is normal to have the radio set so that it is capable of 
> producing
> 100 watts of output.  However, it should be driven with level from the 
> sound
> card so as to produce no more than 25 to 35 watts of actual power.  Do not
> turn radio power down.  Turn sound card level down.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "KXB" <w7kxb@msn.com>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Digital (PSK31) Communications
>
>
> Hello Herve
> In psk, "DO NOT BLINK THE LIGHT" period
> Carry-on
> Bill Harris w7kxb
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: F8EHJ<mailto:f8ehj@free.fr>
>  To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment<mailto:tentec@contesting.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:49 AM
>  Subject: Re: [TenTec] Digital (PSK31) Communications
>
>
>  Hello,
>
>  I subscribe to this list for this reason :
>  What is the adjustement for PSK31 using a Ten tec jupiter.
>
>  I am agree with you that ALC indicator should not be always lighted.
>  So I adjust sound card output level to have ALC led blinking with
>  modulation.
>
>  But what about MIC GAIN ? I selected in the menu line mic for input.
>
>  There is a relation between MIC GAIN, ALC and RF OUTPUT !
>
>  If I decrease RF POWER I must decrease MIC GAIN to have ALC blinking.
>  (or I must decrease sound card OUTPUT LEVEL.
>
>  Thanks for explain.
>
>  best 73's
>
>  Herve F8EHJ
>
>  TENTEC JUPITER 538
>  MICROPHONE 706 DESK
>
>
>  Le 2 fÃvr. 08 Ã 17:38, Bob McGraw - K4TAX a Ãcrit :
>
>  > A comment to the point of setting vs. controlling the power on the
>  > Jupiter.
>  >
>  > For modes like PSK-31 the Jupiter should be configured to operate
>  > at its
>  > rated output power or 100 watts.  Then the actual power output
>  > should be
>  > controlled by the PSK-31 software or the sound card output level or
>  > interface output level to the Jupiter so as to cause the Jupiter to
>  > produce
>  > some 25 to 35 watts of power.  This will prevent the ALC activation
>  > and
>  > subsequent distortion from being generated and transmitted.  Also,
>  > any SP or
>  > speech processing should be OFF.
>  >
>  > It should be noted that the PSK-31 signal will cause the power
>  > output to
>  > vary slightly depending on if idle or data is being transmitted.
>  > This is
>  > normal and the amount of variation depends on several factors, such
>  > as tone
>  > frequency, power meter response and dampening and etc.
>  >
>  > Here is the basic NO NO.  Reduction of the Jupiter power to 25 to
>  > 35 watts
>  > and then have the sound card audio drive the Jupiter to 25 to 35
>  > watts will
>  > activate the ALC and subsequent distortion of the transmitted
>  > signal will
>  > likely result.  This produces a transmitted signal that is several
>  > hundred
>  > Hz wide and thus an annoyance or interference to others on the band.
>  >
>  > In general it is frowned upon to run "high power" on PSK-31.  The
>  > issue with
>  > this lies in the fact that an exceptionally strong signal adjacent
>  > to a weak
>  > signal, both within the IF passband,  will cause the strong signal to
>  > capture the AGC and thus further suppress the weaker signal.  As a
>  > general
>  > "rule of thumb" one should always operate with actual PSK-31 power
>  > output
>  > being no more than 25% to 35% of the rated transmitter power.
>  >
>  > 73
>  > Bob, K4TAX
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "ron" <roncasa@verizon.net<mailto:roncasa@verizon.net>>
>  > To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"
> <tentec@contesting.com<mailto:tentec@contesting.com>>
>  > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:42 AM
>  > Subject: Re: [TenTec] Digital (PSK31) Communications
>  >
>  >
>  >> Henry Mackey wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>   The power setting on the Jupiter was at 100%. However, I would
>  >>> reduce
>  >>> the power according to the rigs meter to 20-25 watts and avoid
>  >>> any ALC.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> 25 watts??
>  >>
>  >> For a mode that only needs minimal wattage??
>  >> Try less and be amazed. (the spectrum would also be cleaner if we
>  >> all did)
>  >> (smile)
>  >>
>  >> Ron
>  >> "the 516 is a keeper"
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