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Re: [TenTec] Ig drift on amps

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ig drift on amps
From: "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 21:34:46 -0600
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Regarding the 238 tuner caps, I experienced some SWR drift with mine at high power and on certain bands. I one case I could use the same antenna and feedline on the lower end of 80M with no change in SWR. However, at the upper end with the same antenna and feed line on 75M there was SWR drift. I could always tune it so the SWR was low but then when the caps cooled the SWR had changed. Of course the SWR drift caused the tuning on the Centurion to change.

I used a laser temperature meter to see what was heating. It was the ceramic caps located at the back of the Low Z / High Z switch. I replaced the 220 pf caps units wired in parallel with some Russian made 470 pf 16KV RF caps purchased on E- Bay. There's a couple of websites that show how these can fit in. It takes drilling about 4 holes in the bottom for mounting and wiring them in place. Problem solved. As to a source of caps, should you not like Surplus Sales of Nebraska, try Fair Radio Sales. Or as I did, E-Bay.

One other problem I found was the accumulation of paint, dirt and grime on the insulation of the window/ladder line that runs along the side the house and up the tower. Yes, the fellows that painted the house actually sprayed the ladder or window line section that runs under the eve to the tower. Again, this was a heating issue causing "what ever Z" change to take place. I cleaned the paint off of that section of line using lacquer thinner and the problem was solved.

As some of you may or may not know, I use a couple of retired BC transmitters for 160M and 75M AM operation. In running these at a legal 375 watts of carrier output with 125% positive modulation, I use a Tentec 238 tuner for the matching chores. Trust me, that application will separate the good tuners from the poor tuners. I don't care what the PEP rating of the tuner is. I have one of the popular 3 KW PEP rated tuners that will flash over on modulation peaks and finally the "heavy duty" internal balun smoked, while under the exact same conditions, the Tentec 238 stays cool and performs exactly the same tasks as needed. Oh yes, the match values for the tuners are always set using a antenna bridge. I find that method absolutely necessary when using a tuner with a T network configuration.

73
Bob, K4TAX




----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Brown K9YC" <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ig drift on amps


On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 16:09:07 -0600, Duane Calvin wrote:

Yes, Ron, I've experienced the same symptoms in my 238B

Ten Tec uses N1500 caps in the 229 and 238 tuners. Some matching
conditions cause these caps to carry a lot of current, enough to
cause them to change value by a fair amount. There are also matching
conditions that cause them to burn up. I run 229s and 238s with my
Titan during contests at the 1.2 kw level. I own six of these
tuners, and I've fried at least one cap in all but one of them.

On the oldest of my tuners, a 229B, I had enough heating around the
front end of the rotary inductor to toast the spring that holds the
traveling tap in contact with the inductor. I managed to repair it
with a replacement spring that I found in a surplus house.

73,

Jim K9YC


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