Rick:
It is proven over and over that S meters are not important.........everyone
gets a 5x9 report! "Uh, please repeat your call and grid"
73
Bob, K4TAX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP" <Rick@DJ0IP.de>
To: "'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Omni VII Filters
> All good points which I won't dispute.
> There are some rare exceptions.
>
> A couple of comments:
>
> - The Eagle would be a perfect rig for old codgers like your buddy (and
> me), if only they had made the scale on the S-Meter about three to four
> times larger. I can't see it. I saw it once with a lighted magnifying
> glass. So my "honest signal reports" are: "you're moving the S-Meter a
> little", "moving it mid scale", and "moving it a lot".
>
>
> - If you aren't having any problems at your MM contest station, that's
> great. But if you ever do, then you will indeed see a difference between
> the OM7 and the Orion. BTW, the problem with 2x K3 disturbing each other
> is a theme actively being discussed on the web RIGHT NOW.
>
>
> - 160m... well James, you need to speak with some of the BIG 160m BOYS on
> this, like Bill, W4ZV. When someone says "I can work everything I can
> hear", I just chuckle and say again, "It's the ANTENNA stupid." With the
> right antennas you hear stuff in the mud that the others never hear in a
> lifetime. Then if a 59+20 signal plops down 1 kHz away or so, there will
> be
> a difference between an ORION or K3, and a OMNI-VII. Since most of us
> would
> have to win the lottery to ever own a QTH that would allow us to install
> those antennas, it's a non-issue for us.
>
>
> FINAL COMMENT for all Ten-Tec fans...
>
> I used to go down to 4U1VIC in Vienna for CQWW CW Contest, back when John
> was the station custodian. I've been there several times. We operated
> Multi-Single, which means we had two rigs, one RUN station and one S&P
> (used
> to call it the Multi-Station before the term S&P, evolved ...for hunting
> and
> working multis).
> I typically took a bunch of young kids (in their twenties) with me. All
> were active members of the Bavarian Contest Club.
> NOW THE GOOD PART: Running a pair of OMNI VI transceivers WITHOUT any
> bandpass filters and about 1KW linears, we never had any problem with them
> disturbing each other, unless you were tuned directly to a harmonic.
> The kids could not believe that was even possible. They were used to
> having
> to use ICE filters or similar at multi transmitter events.
>
> In order to appreciate this, you need to understand that ALL antennas for
> both stations were located on top of the same building.
> They weren't hundreds of yards/meters apart!
>
> PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT, MR. KENWOOD, MR. ICOM, MR. YAESU, and
> perhaps even Mr. Elecraft.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
> On Behalf Of Richards
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:15 AM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Omni VII Filters
>
>
>
> On 5/16/2012 8:58 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
>
>> The one place where the OM7 will be at a disadvantage is if you are
>> trying to use it at a multi-multi station where you have at least 6
>> max legal power stations on the air simultaneously from a location the
>> size of a football field,
>
>
> I disagree based on experience. We run 2
> Omni VIIs, an Orion II, an Omni VI, all in the same
> room, and it is someone using a K3s that complain !
> For some contests, the phone guys are in one place,
> and the CW guys are 300 yards away on a big hill
> in a field and the guys with the Elecraft gear complain
> about intermod, not the TT guys. (I hope this does NOT
> start a sub-thread about TT v Elecraft...)
>
> Of course you gotta use passband filters, and stay off
> the same antenna ... ;-) ... but I have NEVER
> had intermod, interference, of any RF on my anything
> under such extreme conditions.
>
> Shoot, Rick... it might be better than you think ! ;-)
>
>
>
>> Don't tell anyone I said this, but I even like it a wee bit better
>> than my Eagle, but the Eagle has other advantages - size, weight, and
> simplicity.
>
>
> YES - The design team at TenTec obviously thought
> about what to put on the Eagle and what not to ...
> trying not to obsolete any of the other products in
> the line. I prefer the Omni VII over the Eagle because
> it has more stuff on it... such as a receive only
> antenna jack, two transceive antenna jacks, etc.,
> but the Eagle presents a high performance option,
> at a lower price for guys who don't want all that
> extra jazz.
>
> I have considered using an Eagle as a "second receiver"
> for the Omni VII, and letting Carl's N4PY Pegasus
> control program integrate the two as one - so I could
> use the band scope display for the Eagle to work as
> a panadatper for the Omni VII - click on it scope, and
> both rigs tune to the same frequency. Cool. I use
> a TT RX-320D for that now, but the Eagle would be
> way better I think.
>
>
> One of our Lunch Bunch guys is older than the sun,
> and sometimes talks about getting out of ham radio
> because it seems to be getting too complicated for
> him -- so I keep recommending the Eagle because I
> think it would be a huge performer, but a much
> easier rig to run than the rest of the crop. He could
> easily take it to Florida when he goes down for the
> Winter. Stubborn old coot... but he is a great guy!
> ;-)
>
>
>> *The exception would only be a top notch 160m operator with great
>> antennas in a 160m contest. The rest of the time, the rest of the
>> contests, the operator makes far more difference that the tiny bit of
>> difference in the radios.
>
>
> We used an Omni VII to work the CQ WW
> contest... and came in 1st in Michigan... 1st in
> Section 8... Fifth in US... 7th in North America...
> and the only guys to beat us were all on the East
> Coast with a slightly better shot at EU multipliers.
> So, I am not worried about using the Omni VII in
> a 160 meter contest.
>
>
>
>> In my books, the Omni VII is the best all-around radio on the planet
>> today for 98% of all hams.
>
>
> That might be a slight exaggeration... the real
> figures is closer to 95% of all hams... ;-)
>
>
>
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