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Re: [TenTec] Transmit not stopping when PTT is released

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Transmit not stopping when PTT is released
From: Carl Moreschi <n4py3@earthlink.net>
Reply-to: n4py3@earthlink.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 21:57:03 -0500
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The Orion brings up the amp key line 15 msec before transmit comes on.
The real test is lower the power output to minimum. If this fixes it then RFI is the problem.

Carl Moreschi N4PY
58 Hogwood Rd
Louisburg, NC 27549
www.n4py.com

On 12/5/2013 9:28 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
In most cases with a non-QSK amp some form of delay system should be
employed. This system provides a delay at initiation of transmit such
that amp relays close and settle before RF is applied. Then at the end,
a delay to hold the relays closed until the completion of the last
character. At end when the CW key is released the character must still
be sent. If the radio is using the CW key for control of the TX/RX
control then likely the amp could un-key before completion of the RF
envelope. Thus hot switching may occur.

I don't recall the timing sequence of the Orion II.

With the Tentec QSK circuit the key is closed and this sends the signal
to the amp to switch from RX to TX mode. After the amp has switched it
then sends a signal back to the transceiver to deliver the RF. At the
end of the transmission, the RF sensing circuit in the Centurion and
Titan keep the relays in the amp engaged until the end of the RF
envelope before the relays are allow to switch from TX back to RX.


73
Bob, K4TAX




----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry N1EU" <barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Transmit not stopping when PTT is released


Kim, you might be right - Rod's qrz page indicates a 1960's amplifier.


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Kim Elmore
<cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

Depends on how it's set up, but a long delay between keying and
application of RF drive, along with a delay between the cessation of RF
drive and unkeying the amp is needed to give the typical open-frame
relay
time to switch.

Kim N5OP

"People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least as long as
the music lasts." -- Paul Hindemith

On Dec 5, 2013, at 18:44, Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why would there be hot switching if the Orion is keying the amp?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net
>wrote:
>
>> Unless the amp is QSK capable or he sets the OII to behave as semi
>> QSK,
>> he'll almost certainly suffer hot switching of the T/R relay. Very
>> bad.
>>
>> Kim N5OP
>>
>> "People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least as
long >> as
>> the music lasts." -- Paul Hindemith
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 17:57, Richards <jrichards@k8jhr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Golly, Rod... I am no expert... but I will take a stab at it.
>>>
>>> Are you sure you have the amp cable routed correctly?
>>>
>>> My "intuition" (i.e. my gut) says you might consider routing
>>> the amp key line from the rig to the amp, and just keying
>>> the rig with the microkeyer device - as if it were just a code
>>> key or PTT switch.n That way, the keyer cues the rig, and the
>>> rig cues the amp.
>>>
>>> Just a thought...
>>>
>>> ------------------------------- >>> K8JHR
------------------------------
>>>
>>> Rod Greene wrote:
>>>> I just installed a new to me microKeyer II. ....
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