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Re: [TenTec] Varied Wishes and ramblings

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Varied Wishes and ramblings
From: art N4UC <n4uc@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:38:16 -0500
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On thing I DO prefer on the Eagle vs the OMNI/Orion is the separate knobs for 
PBT and BW as well as a dedicated knob for RF Gain. I just don't like 
two-function push-knobs. Better yet, why not just a panel full of knobs each of 
which could be user-programmed to suit individual tastes.

As they say, the only thing worse than having no choices is having too many!

73, Art/N4UC



> From: Rick@DJ0IP.de
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 18:14:02 +0200
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Varied Wishes and ramblings
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I agree with you and had the same thought.
> I didn't even think about that when I bought the Eagle.
> 
> I found a work-around.
> I raise the radio on its bezel, and also place about a 1/4 inch piece of
> wood under the bezel.
> Then I pull then entire radio right up against the keyboard on the left
> side.
> 
> It didn't take long to get used to tuning with the left hand.
> The right hand is free for key and mouse if needed.
> 
> I've run about 8 contests that way now and don't miss the POD a bit.
> Also, on the Eagle I find I have to work the RF gain a bit more than I did
> on the OM6 or Orion, so having it right there is an advantage.
> 
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of art N4UC
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:55 PM
> To: TenTec reflector
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Varied Wishes and ramblings
> 
> Whatever you guys decide, make sure to bring back the remote pod tuning and
> control capability provided by the 302R tuning pod. That simple feature
> alone has unexpectedly become a "must-have" for me. 
> I'm glad that somebody at TT had the foresight to include such a simple, but
> tremendously  useful feature in the OMNI VII and Orions. However, since it
> apparently was not included in the Eagle design I will probably not ever
> consider an Eagle to replace my Orion. 
> 
> I like to have the radio sitting a couple of inches above the surface of the
> desk so I can comfortably get my fat hands and fingers around the bottom row
> of knobs. But I don't get too far into a contest without aches and pains in
> the shoulder and arm from holding my hand up to tune the radio. It is so
> nice to be able to keep my hand resting on the desk and tune the radio with
> the tuning knob of the 302R.  
> 
> When I have mentioned this feature to the other manufacturers at hamfests,
> I've gotten everything from the usual head nod to an assurance that their
> designers know what features "normal" hams want in a radio and that's not
> one of them! I know there are several third-party solutions out there to add
> this capability to a station, but as far as I've seen, they all require
> connection to a computer. Do it the TT way and keep it simple!
> 
> 73, N4UC
> 
> > From: xtraham58@hotmail.com
> > To: tentec@contesting.com
> > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 06:31:25 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [TenTec] Varied Wishes and ramblings
> > 
> > Great thoughts John, tnx
> > 
> > >
> > > I hope everyone can see just from these last two threads, that there 
> > > is a huge variation in what hams expect of their rigs. If I look at 
> > > this from the outside, looking at TEN-TEC, and what TEN-TEC has made 
> > > through the years, I believe that TEN-TEC has done a great job in 
> > > giving the consumers what they want, mostly.
> > > Look at the Orion series of rigs. Fantastic performance for 
> > > contesting, great features on the front panel, a sweep that works 
> > > fairly good, but of course limited by size and other constraints, 
> > > and so many things to so many different hams that wanted x and 
> > > another didn't want x but wanted y instead, well, mostly, it was 
> > > there on the Orion. The antenna matrix, fantastic, the band data 
> > > outputs, serial control of a lot of the functions for the PC hounds 
> > > and the interfaces for the same PC hounds with their SDR's doing 
> > > "fantastical" PC sweeps/waterfalls/skimming/coffee making. It's 
> > > there. For the audio enthusiast, binaural, spatial, agc tailoring, 
> > > ground breaking stuff years ago, that still most don't really 
> > > comprehend and well, why does everyone have to? they don't, just use it
> stock, and it outperforms just about anything on the market in just about
> any condition.
> > > The OMNI-VII, only things it's really missing is a second receiver 
> > > and a functional sweep (plus a few tricks we have up our sleeves in
> store for it).
> > > Of course, some would not consider an OMNI-VII because of something 
> > > it lacks that the Orion has, or vice versa. Or the competitor rig y 
> > > has the feature required.  Maybe it is missing band data outputs, 
> > > antenna matrix, two main VFOs, etc., but, it is a stellar performer, 
> > > demo's with the Ethernet are going fantastic from new hams trying 
> > > out the rig in the TEN-TEC sales shack getting audio reports of 
> > > great audio. Yes, I'm still beta testing one baby step at a time on 
> > > a new Ethernet set of code, will be out...xxxx Yes, some issues, 
> > > with all the rigs, but, well, all in all, the rigs have done great, 
> > > and will continue to do great.
> > > 
> > > Just look at the differences "REQUIRED" of the one feature, the 
> > > sweep. Some could care less and want us to quit working on it for 
> > > the 588 and will never fire it up for the 566. Yet some REALLY NEED it
> to work on the 588.
> > > So, as someone mentioned earlier, that means we need to design 
> > > interfaces in the hardware for optional add-ons. Not an issue, 
> > > because if I start with a bare OMNI-VII, almost all of those 
> > > interfaces already exist (talking about interfaces to additional 
> > > hardware options, not GUI's). Same for the Eagle, same for the Orion(s).
> > > 
> > > As I read some people's inputs, the Eagle has EVERYTHING they will 
> > > ever need. Why? Because it is an absolute top notch performer in 
> > > receiver quality and sound. For some, it has an absolutely easy to 
> > > use easy to access feature set that covers every requirement they 
> > > need. Some use it connected to a PC for getting the things they want out
> of it.
> > > As I read some peoples inputs, the Eagle needs so much more to make 
> > > it the ultimate rig, well, those are good thoughts, good wishes.
> > > 
> > > Same for the OMNI-VII.
> > > 
> > > With all of the above, the variances in customer wishes, required 
> > > features, etc., we try to design something that can do all for the 
> > > ultimate configuration users like the super serious PC driving 
> > > contesters/dxers/etc.ers, at the same time of hitting the 
> > > requirements of the front panel only user who wants to dominate the 
> > > same contests, at the same time of hitting the requirements of a rag 
> > > chewer who gets on from time to time and wants to drive it from the 
> > > PC or the front panel or a combination of both.
> > > 
> > > When these threads started, my inbox must have had an increase of 
> > > about
> > > 50-100 more emails a day, just on the wishes for an Orion III and 
> > > it's "required" features. That also lead to requests for the sweep 
> > > for the OMNI-VII, Vox for the Argonaut VI, etc., etc.
> > > It just takes time to get those things out.
> > > Doing what we can.
> > > No, I'm not complaining, don't take this post this way, I do really 
> > > appreciate the inputs, it helps confirm the direction we are going, 
> > > and also brings to light things we had forgotten that others thought 
> > > were really important, that in our way of operating or thinking, 
> > > well, they weren't thought of as needed, so we can rethink them again,
> and why.
> > > heck, even inside TEN-TEC there is a great disparity on some 
> > > features, what is included, why, who would ever use this, etc.
> > > Somewhere, in the end, we hope to find the happy middle ground, medium.
> > > 
> > > Now, sometimes, we will make things that people have no idea why, 
> > > e.g. the
> > > 506 is one of them. I have had MANY emails and calls about that was 
> > > the worst way and thing TEN-TEC could ever have made, not an Orion 
> > > or Eagle or even a traditional Corsair or Tritan... well, true, but, 
> > > it helps others get into the hobby, brings joy back to hams that had 
> > > gotten out of the hobby because they were disheartened, and the 506 
> > > brought them back, and they are having fun again.
> > > 
> > > Of course, when threads like this occur, I do get emails from hams 
> > > saying they will wait on their purchase now for the hope of the 
> > > ultimate x transceiver. Well, my input to that is... Why wait, I 
> > > mean, you have the opportunity now, the rig you are looking at 
> > > really does fit your requirements today, and besides, you may get 
> > > hit by a bus in a month and would not have enjoyed the rig. TEN-TEC 
> > > could get hit by a bus itself, and the future ultimate x transceiver 
> > > won't see the light of day and you would have missed out on the rig 
> > > we have now. Go ahead and get that OMNI-VII, or get that Eagle, or 
> > > Argonaut VI, or 506, you can always trade it in next year or the 
> > > year after for the ultimate x transceiver, if/when it comes out. 
> > > Heck, if everyone waits for the next big TEN-TEC rig, there won't be 
> > > a "next big TEN-TEC rig" because everyone waiting will tank the company
> due to lack of sales.
> > > I know a lot that have waited on buying their next transceiver, 
> > > waiting for the new ultimate xxx that is now on the market, well, it 
> > > ain't filling their bill, ain't performing near what their other two 
> > > rigs were that they traded in to be able to afford it. ain't living up
> to expectations, etc.
> > > etc. No, this isn't a knock on a specific one, but sometimes the 
> > > kool-aid makes one think it is best to get the one thing, when what 
> > > they had in the TEN-TEC rigs did actually fulfill all they needed.
> > > So, go get your OMNI-VII now, ....
> > > 
> > > 'nuff said, time for me to get some shut eye
> > > 
> > > Thanks, and 73,
> > > John Henry, KI4JPL
> > > TEN-TEC Engineering
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